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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    Was Phil the greatest coach ever when he joined the bulls or left the Lakers?

    And Armstrong, Grant, Paxson. Don't need to say another word. Which one of those 3 should we compare the third best player of most other "super teams."
    I said it was a 2 superstar team. Having a crazy deep squad with Phil coaching puts them ahead of most teams



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    On top of that 2.4 attempts per game with the Bulls, he only made 1.1 per game and scored about 8 per game. That's how Jordan won so many scoring titles, defenses had to contain Kerr all night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    He averaged 2.4 attempts per game while with the Bulls. I'll repeat, 2.4 ATTEMPTS per game, that's just over 1 attempt per half of basketball. Game changer.
    Yes, I understand how few attempts he had. But having the best 3 pt shooter in history is a huge asset.

    He was not a scrub. He was the perfext 3 pt specialist


    2.4 attempts per game is nothing to scoff at in the 90s


    Not sure what you're talking. Never said the defenses were focusing on Kerr lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    I said it was a 2 superstar team. Having a crazy deep squad with Phil coaching puts them ahead of most teams



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    You listed those 3 as a reason they were a super team, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    Yes, I understand how few attempts he had. But having the best 3 pt shooter in history is a huge asset.

    He was not a scrub. He was the perfext 3 pt specialist


    2.4 attempts per game is nothing to scoff at in the 90s


    Not sure what you're talking. Never said the defenses were focusing on Kerr lmao

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    Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson (should I name a dozen more) say hi.

    The perfect 3 pt. Specialist who makes 1.1 3-pointers a game, got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson (should I name a dozen more) say hi.

    The perfect 3 pt. Specialist who makes 1.1 3-pointers a game, got it.
    Reggie Miller is the only one from a comparable era. What was the average amount of 3 pt attempts for an individual in the 80s-90s? Can't imagine it's much higher than 2 or 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    You listed those 3 as a reason they were a super team, not me.
    They were a deep 2 super star super team.


    So kobe/Shaq weren't a super team? Because they absolutely were

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    Reggie Miller is the only one from a comparable era. What was the average amount of 3 pt attempts for an individual in the 80s-90s? Can't imagine it's much higher than 2 or 3.

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    Only one?

    Mark Price, Dale Ellis, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Jeff Hornacek, Eddie Jones, Tim Hardaway, Dell Curry, Dennis Scott, Nick Van Exel, Brent Barry, Dan Majerle. That's just off the top of my head.

    You really should know more about the era in which you speak so much about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    It isn't foolish, for what he was he was very good. A spot up 3 pt shooter. 24 minutes is 6 short of starters minutes lol


    One of the best 3 pt shooters ever, those were an incredibly valuable 8 mpg

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    Yes, it is and no he wasn't. You can't expect people to meet you halfway on stuff like this. He wasn't incredibly valuable and he wasn't one of the best shooters ever. If you let him set his feet and shoot he was money. He did nothing else and was a liability on D as a weak 6'2 shooting guard.

    Armstrong was good on the Bulls. I actually thought he would break out with more touches in GS. Harper was good. The dude was limited offensively in Chicago b/c they didn't need another slasher but he was really good defensively, a good ball-handler, and capable on offense. Toni was very unique too. Those guys were more legit contributors
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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    They were a deep 2 super star super team.


    So kobe/Shaq weren't a super team? Because they absolutely were

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    Depends on your definition of a super team. I said earlier, any team that wins 3 in a row is a super team. Otherwise the meaning of "Super Team" is just worthless if you don't include the best teams in history. The way they can be criticized though in my opinion is how they were formed.

    You don't like the 2017 Warriors because of KD. But do you respect the 2016 Warriors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    Only one?

    Mark Price, Dale Ellis, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Jeff Hornacek, Eddie Jones, Tim Hardaway, Dell Curry, Dennis Scott, Nick Van Exel, Brent Barry, Dan Majerle. That's just off the top of my head.

    You really should know more about the era in which you speak so much about.
    Hornacek only was at a max of 3.1 attempts per game. Kerr was at 2.6/2.9/2.9 in the 2nd 3peat. He had so few attempts per game because he was such a liability on the defensive end.

    Kerr was very limited but let's not act like having the most accurate spot up 3 pt shooter(at the time as an 8th man or maybe lower) isn't a valuable asset lol. Never said he was a star.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    Depends on your definition of a super team. I said earlier, any team that wins 3 in a row is a super team. Otherwise the meaning of "Super Team" is just worthless if you don't include the best teams in history. The way they can be criticized though in my opinion is how they were formed.

    You don't like the 2017 Warriors because of KD. But do you respect the 2016 Warriors?
    Yeah 2016 warriors were insane, a blown finals run from being arguably better (still would've fallen just short since you'd need to combine the regular season and postseason records, weighing the playoffs heavier. 96 Bulls still come out ahead as the best team ever, if GS wins game 7)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    I get the Rodman addition for the 2nd 3-Peat, even though he was 34 at that point. But what about the 1st 3-Peat makes them a Super Team?
    I never mentioned anything about the first team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunuu View Post
    Especially when he is the same guy who told me eras did not matter.

    The 55 win Bulls were a super team, but the 60 win Hawks were not.

    It all has to fit the Lebron is the GOAT narrative.
    Don't be intentionally dunce. He never said the 55 win Bulls were a super team. He said the Bulls won 55 games without literally the greatest player of all time. To act like that team when the added back Jordan wasn't a super team is so dumb.

    And everyone talking about how they were built is just dumb too. Who cares how they were built. So Jordan isn't dinged for having a super team because his management was competent enough to acquire the talent around him, but today's guys are dinged because when their front offices aren't competent enough they take matters into their own hands.

    Look, I hate super teams. But to pretend there's a "right way" to build super teams is dumb. It still sucks when one team is very clearly better than everyone else and has a ton of talent. Who cares how they were assembled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    Yes, the 90s bulls were a super team for that era. Absolutely.

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    Cmon my man, they absolutely were not. Pippen was never a superstar and barely cracked the top 10 in his best years and was out of it a couple other years. Pippen didnt even make the all-star team for two of the six titles. The rest of the guys were pretty clearly role players. If they had another player like Pippen and then maybe another low-level all-star caliber player then I would agree, but they certainly weren't a super team so much as they were a very well oiled team that executed at a very high level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    They dont, because Super Teams have always existed. Most younger guys just dont know it.
    Ehh, yes and no. A key difference from "super teams" from previous eras was that there were several super teams at any one time. Because there were fewer teams, the talent was often concentrated in the top teams and so there were usually several teams that were comparable throughout the league at any given moment. In today's NBA, when guys collude to team up, it creates a power imbalance because there isn't really anyone else with comparable talent and so it creates a massive competitive advantage for today's super teams. Looking at super teams over the past decade, there's usually only been one any given season (2017 was the only exception with the warriors and Cavs). This issue wasn't anywhere near as much of a problem with the super teams of the past that were formed more organically and usually over time.
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