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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    Because the government is paying them more, just as much, or not much lower than the wages businesses are able to pay them. This isn't about businesses not paying as much as it is the government making it unreasonable for people to want to go to work. Once these benefits end for the unemployed, watch all the people looking for work all complain about how they can't somehow find it due to everyone all running for employment.
    ok, so how about those losing this enhancement that are NOT normally working on the low end of the scale?
    That alright, too?
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    The Chipotle's in my city have all shut down dine-in starting last week because they can't hire enough bodies to serve the customers.
    Tragic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Tragic.
    Who will sell everyone Americanized Mexican food now?
    Let's get embedded tweets working again!

    https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...5#post33780085

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Who will sell everyone Americanized Mexican food now?
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    But where will they get anyone to work there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    But where will they get anyone to work there?
    did they shut down, too?

    they're open here, just regretted having a quesalupa last week
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Well, you're right re enforcing work refusal.....unless (and this does happen) the employer contacts the employment office and tells them.

    I'm not aware of Medicare being covered while on unemployment.
    NYC doesn't enforce that. Some states do which is my point.
    Free health insurance is available for those with low or no income (Medicaid or Medicare) depending on what you qualify for so if people don't have health insurance, they could have applied for Medicaid or Medicare.

    The people who are in the news with no health insurance are usually those who are self-employed and earn too much to qualify for Medicaid or Medicare and/or their employer does not offer health insurance plans for them through employer benefits. If you're poor, odds are you likely qualify for Medicaid or Medicare in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    did they shut down, too?

    they're open here, just regretted having a quesalupa last week
    They must be paying their workers something resembling a decent wage then. Kind of surprised.
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    Saw this guy make a funny but interesting point. He said every time people talk about raising minimum wage opponents say that companies will just automate those jobs. Well, where is the automation? All these sectors need workers, so why donít they just automate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Saw this guy make a funny but interesting point. He said every time people talk about raising minimum wage opponents say that companies will just automate those jobs. Well, where is the automation? All these sectors need workers, so why donít they just automate?
    different companies need different people to create it

    Automation has been going on for years. It doesn't necessarily eliminate jobs overall, it just tends to create a different set of jobs. Somebody has to create and maintain those machines that are automating the work.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    different companies need different people to create it

    Automation has been going on for years. It doesn't necessarily eliminate jobs overall, it just tends to create a different set of jobs. Somebody has to create and maintain those machines that are automating the work.
    I agree with you. Itís just that anytime someone says fast food workers (for example) should be paid more people say the companies will just automate and theyíll lose their jobs, but now fast food is desperate for workers. So I guess that automation threat wasnít as dire as made out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Saw this guy make a funny but interesting point. He said every time people talk about raising minimum wage opponents say that companies will just automate those jobs. Well, where is the automation? All these sectors need workers, so why donít they just automate?
    Because you weigh the cost-benefit. Not every job can be automated as easily. Then you have to break it down to the amount of businesses who can't afford to automate because these machines may require a large upfront capital that a business might not have or won't take the risk in getting. Most automated machines are also customized so that means there will still be people having to maintain these machines which is why it's mostly large businesses that benefit from a minimum wage increase because the smaller businesses can't afford to compete with the scaling of larger businesses. Amazon and Walmart can afford to automate and invest heavily into it because they're getting enough sales for their investment to pay off. Over 98% of all businesses in America are small businesses. How many of them do you think can afford to invest that much money into automation when they don't even know if their business can survive in the future for it to pay itself off? Automation isn't going to take over every job. It's just going to automate the most redundant role. Other positions will always be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    Because you weigh the cost-benefit. Not every job can be automated as easily. Then you have to break it down to the amount of businesses who can't afford to automate because these machines may require a large upfront capital that a business might not have or won't take the risk in getting. Most automated machines are also customized so that means there will still be people having to maintain these machines which is why it's mostly large businesses that benefit from a minimum wage increase because the smaller businesses can't afford to compete with the scaling of larger businesses. Amazon and Walmart can afford to automate and invest heavily into it because they're getting enough sales for their investment to pay off. Over 98% of all businesses in America are small businesses. How many of them do you think can afford to invest that much money into automation when they don't even know if their business can survive in the future for it to pay itself off? Automation isn't going to take over every job. It's just going to automate the most redundant role. Other positions will always be needed.
    If automation is this difficult and costly, then people should stop using it as a threat anytime people demand an increased minimum wage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    If automation is this difficult and costly, then people should stop using it as a threat anytime people demand an increased minimum wage.
    Because it is a threat. If you're a business, you automate based on cost-benefit. If it costs less or just marginally more to hire people rather than automating, you're less likely to automate. If it costs a lot more to where automation is more cost-effective, you're going to highly consider automation.

    Regardless of your stance on this, automation is only going to be cheaper and more expansive in the future. Menial jobs are going to be largely replaced or at the point where fewer people may be required. Small businesses can't afford automation so when you increase the minimum wage, they can't compete with larger businesses who are less susceptible to minimum wage increases.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/amaz...walmart-2021-2

    Amazon isn't stupid... they've been the masters of using accounting tricks to lower their taxable income. The fact that they support a $15 wage isn't because they are nice but because they know that it would affect their competitors.

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