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    States are opting out of unemployment benefit enhancement (PUA)- should they?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/at-l...its-early.html

    Since that article, South Dakota has joined that list of states that intend to stop paying the extra $300/week the ARP had extended until September. Instead, these states would end that benefit in June.

    The claim is they're doing so because businesses are telling them they're trying to grow but can't and/or simply can't get open jobs filled, supposedly because of that extra $300.

    For the record, the typical maximum unemployment benefits equate to somewhere around each state's minimum wage for a 40 hour week.

    Is it time for this? Or would this simply force people to choose between minimum wage level unemployment benefits and being underemployed (given the bulk of open jobs are on the low end of the pay scale)?
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    I'm pretty sure 1/3rd of unemployment candidates receive more in unemployment benefits than they did pre-COVID. A bunch of others would likely receive the same or just a tad bit lower by not working. It's essentially the businessowners competing against the government. When the unemployment benefits end, get ready for a drove of individuals looking to be employed.

    I've never been a fan of the additional federal amount WHEN it gives unemployed individuals more $ than they were earning pre-COVID and Biden expanding the benefits until near September when the timing of vaccines and numerous stimulus funds to businesses was a horrible idea. I don't blame people who receive unemployment benefits and would only barely earn more if they found a job to basically not work. Who would? This is just another example of government being ineffective.

    There are some still using the excuse that COVID is why they are refusing to go to work. Uhm, sure....

    My advice to those who receive unemployment benefits and are refusing to find work, you are hurting your job prospects and should look for a job ASAP because once the unemployment benefits end, there will be millions competing for the same job.

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    The wise states are finished with this charade. My state is also ending it in June and all the excuses to not end it are popping up. Saw on local news the other night a lady saying that it is unfair because of the kids. Lady, you live in Missouri...your damn kids have been going to school full time for half a year already...wtf are you talking about?

    Its pretty bad.. as businesses are definitely feeling it. The Chipotle's in my city have all shut down dine-in starting last week because they can't hire enough bodies to serve the customers.
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    Iím glad weíre not re-evaluating how little these folks are being paid that it took $300/week to keep them from taking these menial jobs. $60/a day. Iím glad thereís absolutely no self reflection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Iím glad weíre not re-evaluating how little these folks are being paid that it took $300/week to keep them from taking these menial jobs. $60/a day. Iím glad thereís absolutely no self reflection.
    The $300 is on top of state unemployment which depending on your state, will vary. NYC, for example, provides $500 maximum state benefit with most people receiving $300-$350. That's $600 per week to not work with rent eviction being banned as well so there is really no incentive for people to work when the benefits are piling up in their favor. 'Menial jobs.' Well, they are freely able to apply for any job position they want, aren't they? Is anyone forcing them to only apply for hospitality jobs? The reason they only apply for such positions is because that is where their limited skillset starts and ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    The $300 is on top of state unemployment which depending on your state, will vary. NYC, for example, provides $500 maximum state benefit with most people receiving $300-$350. That's $600 per week to not work with rent eviction being banned as well so there is really no incentive for people to work when the benefits are piling up in their favor. 'Menial jobs.' Well, they are freely able to apply for any job position they want, aren't they? Is anyone forcing them to only apply for hospitality jobs? The reason they only apply for such positions is because that is where their limited skillset starts and ends.
    Yes but we're talking about the marginal $300. The people will still be eligible to receive whatever their state provides. Therefore it's the only $300 worth discussing. Unless these states are going to eliminate the entirety of their unemployment insurance.
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    One of the problems that this program always included was the fact that ANYONE receiving unemployment got the FULL enhanced amount. In other words, someone who only qualified for half their state's maximum (if I'm not mistaken) still got the full enhanced amount.

    Again, the problem is that the typical maximum equates to minimum wage. Therefore someone making $50,000, $70,000, whatever prior was still only receiving the equivalent of minimum wage. With the enhancement, at least those people were receiving closer to an amount they were used to.

    The problem I see with this has more to do with that group of people. These governors are saying there's jobs available. The PROBLEM is, the vast majority of those jobs are NOT ones equitable for the person who had been making $50k+ so there's much higher competition for those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Yes but we're talking about the marginal $300. The people will still be eligible to receive whatever their state provides. Therefore it's the only $300 worth discussing. Unless these states are going to eliminate the entirety of their unemployment insurance.
    State unemployment programs should have ran out a long time ago but because the fed government needs a way to keep determining who qualifies, states have to unilaterally extend their unemployment programs as well. So no, the $300 is directly tied into the state unemployment system which is how individuals would ultimately continue certifying their claim. There isn't a federal website or hotline for them to do so - it's through their state. You can't talk about one without talking about the other.

    Anyhow, I think we both know why people are refusing to work. It's free money to sit at home, play video games or whatever hobby they enjoy. Being unemployed = landlords have less of a case to kick you out since if you're employed, you will have to start paying your landlord. There is a massive amount of job openings across the country (granted, these are for low-skilled jobs but jobs nonetheless). Someone claiming they can't find a job is most likely lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Yes but we're talking about the marginal $300. The people will still be eligible to receive whatever their state provides. Therefore it's the only $300 worth discussing. Unless these states are going to eliminate the entirety of their unemployment insurance.
    just the PUA, the extra $300

    For example, the maximum here in SD is $428/week. With the PUA people getting the max are getting $728.
    Totally ignoring tax implications, $728 is a 'net' per hour of $18.20 while $428 is $10.70.

    So what is someone with the skillset to earn $50,000 supposed to do if they're getting $10.70/hr?
    They're not filling those supposedly unfilled jobs, for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    State unemployment programs should have ran out a long time ago but because the fed government needs a way to keep determining who qualifies, states have to unilaterally extend their unemployment programs as well. So no, the $300 is directly tied into the state unemployment system which is how individuals would ultimately continue certifying their claim. There isn't a federal website or hotline for them to do so - it's through their state. You can't talk about one without talking about the other.

    Anyhow, I think we both know why people are refusing to work. It's free money to sit at home, play video games or whatever hobby they enjoy. Being unemployed = landlords have less of a case to kick you out since if you're employed, you will have to start paying your landlord. There is a massive amount of job openings across the country (granted, these are for low-skilled jobs but jobs nonetheless). Someone claiming they can't find a job is most likely lying.
    While I'm sure there are people using this time as a 'paid vacation', they'd lose benefits if found to have refused work. Plus, there is very little evidence out there that very many are doing that. There were last year when the enhancement was $600, but not now.

    But again, just how much can you expect someone who was making $25/hr, has been getting around $20/hr with enhanced unemployment, to take a job making $15/hr instead of taking the $10/hr their state is adjusting their benefit to?

    Oh, and remember, too.....health/dental insurance is the person's own expense while unemployed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    just the PUA, the extra $300

    For example, the maximum here in SD is $428/week. With the PUA people getting the max are getting $728.
    Totally ignoring tax implications, $728 is a 'net' per hour of $18.20 while $428 is $10.70.

    So what is someone with the skillset to earn $50,000 supposed to do if they're getting $10.70/hr?
    They're not filling those supposedly unfilled jobs, for the most part.
    The jobs people are having trouble filling are ones in menial labor jobs like fast food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    The jobs people are having trouble filling are ones in menial labor jobs like fast food.
    Exactly, the vast majority of jobs businesses are having trouble filling are largely unskilled labor positions.
    Yet this situation would be applied across the board to all unemployed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    While I'm sure there are people using this time as a 'paid vacation', they'd lose benefits if found to have refused work. Plus, there is very little evidence out there that very many are doing that. There were last year when the enhancement was $600, but not now.

    But again, just how much can you expect someone who was making $25/hr, has been getting around $20/hr with enhanced unemployment, to take a job making $15/hr instead of taking the $10/hr their state is adjusting their benefit to?

    Oh, and remember, too.....health/dental insurance is the person's own expense while unemployed.
    health/dental insurance is free if you apply for Medicaid or have Medicare which shouldn't be a problem if you're unemployed.

    As for the losing benefits if they refused work, let's be honest, how many states do you think actually enforce any level of that? It's not even something they would even be able to effectively track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    The jobs people are having trouble filling are ones in menial labor jobs like fast food.
    Because the government is paying them more, just as much, or not much lower than the wages businesses are able to pay them. This isn't about businesses not paying as much as it is the government making it unreasonable for people to want to go to work. Once these benefits end for the unemployed, watch all the people looking for work all complain about how they can't somehow find it due to everyone all running for employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    health/dental insurance is free if you apply for Medicaid or have Medicare which shouldn't be a problem if you're unemployed.

    As for the losing benefits if they refused work, let's be honest, how many states do you think actually enforce any level of that? It's not even something they would even be able to effectively track.
    Well, you're right re enforcing work refusal.....unless (and this does happen) the employer contacts the employment office and tells them.

    I'm not aware of Medicare being covered while on unemployment.
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