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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    I understand the small sample in 2017 for 3rd and 4th down but Iíd say his surrounding talent also dipped since then. So even if his numbers in 2020 actually look close to 2017 outside of those sample numbers, donít you think him going to a team with familiar coaching and as good if not better talent than 2017 should produce results close to 2017?

    Not saying itís going to happen but taking out stats that got him overall to a MVP type run to prove a point without looking at his surroundings is silly. With what heíll have in 2021, I feel more confident that he can still be mediocre on 1st and 2nd yet still be very good overall.
    The argument is really about the predictiveness of numbers, not so much the specific QB. From the available data we know that 3rd down stats are generally not predictive of future success for an individual QB, because they tend to fluctuate a lot year-to-year. If a QB has great third down stats in one year but not the others, there could be several explanations. Maybe it's the surrounding players, maybe it's coaching, maybe it's chance, maybe it's off-schedule plays that the QB was able to pull off due to exceptional physical talent that has since diminished due to injury or age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Wentz was shell-shocked after the first few weeks, so this shouldn't surprise anyone. But it's worth noting one of the flaws with the adjusted INTs is it only looks at tips, drops, and situational INTs. It doesn't show how many INTs occurred because of a wrong route or a botched block.
    this is stupid logic... it also doesnt show when QBs put up touchdowns/interceptions the bad throws that werent interceptions because the wideout was a defender or the QB was so horrid he miss read the route etc.... funny how this is a 2 way street. Stop with the excuses.

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    imagine not being able to perform at even a medicore level with a damn good oline/ a top TE and a top 2nd TE and and a top 10 running game................................... imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    imagine not being able to perform at even a medicore level with a damn good oline/ a top TE and a top 2nd TE and and a top 10 running game................................... imagine.
    Who was this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    this is stupid logic... it also doesnt show when QBs put up touchdowns/interceptions the bad throws that werent interceptions because the wideout was a defender or the QB was so horrid he miss read the route etc.... funny how this is a 2 way street. Stop with the excuses.
    If you want to watch 600 passes and make that a stat, go for it. I think it'd be useful . But it's not that hard to look at every QBs INTs and determine which ones they weren't at fault for. Most QBs have less than 15 INTs in a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Who was this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Who was this?
    I believe MTM is referring to Carson Wentz

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    LT Eric Fisher to the Colts to protect Wentz's blindside. (1yr $9.4M)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobe1016 View Post
    I believe MTM is referring to Carson Wentz
    A lot of those positions he mentioned were good on paper but in reality they either didnít perform good when they were on the field (TE/RB) or was extremely unhealthy and missed a ton of games (OL/TE/RB). Wentz played absolutely horrible in 2020, no denying that, but letís not pretend like he had a top offensive roster around him all season long or anything..
    Last edited by QQQ; 05-13-2021 at 12:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    If you want to watch 600 passes and make that a stat, go for it. I think it'd be useful . But it's not that hard to look at every QBs INTs and determine which ones they weren't at fault for. Most QBs have less than 15 INTs in a season.
    https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...ia-colts-trade

    Imagine throwing the interceptions he did/not play the games he did and still lead in adjusted interceptions. LMFAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by QQQ View Post
    A lot of those positions he mentioned were good on paper but in reality they either didnít perform good when they were on the field (TE/RB) or was extremely unhealthy and missed a ton of games (OL/TE/RB). Wentz played absolutely horrible in 2020, no denying that, but letís not pretend like he had a top offensive roster around him all season long or anything..
    Yeah, he clearly didnít watch the eagles in 2020 of thats his assessment on talent.

    If Rodgers had waft Wentz had we would never hear the end of ďhe canít do it alone!Ē Hell, he still does that and the surrounding talent wasnít even close.

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