Where do you have Steph ranked all time?

[smith&wesson]

if we're doing tiering based on how much a player elevated their team during their prime (relative to era) it should realistically look like:

Tier 1:
MJ/LeBron/Kareem/Russell

Tier 2:
Shaq/Hakeem/Magic/Duncan/Bird/Wilt/KG

Tier 3:
West/Oscar/D Rob/Steph (after this season)

Tier 4:
Kobe/Nash/Dirk/Wade/CP3/Barkley/K. Malone/KD/Moses/Erving

Could honestly make a decent argument for Rick Barry as a tier 4 guy as well but I'll leave it be.

If you disagree with the Kobe placement please break down in detail your valuation of his defense after 2003. Citing All Defense awards isn't a valuation fyi

I mean what about defense though Curry and Nash couldn't guard their own shadows.

The awards may not be an evaluation, but you cant discredit them either. A poor defender would never be on an all defensive team.