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  1. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vee-Rex View Post
    @Eagles fans

    How was Malik Jackson for you guys last year? Curious if he'll be an upgrade over sorry *** Ogunjobi.
    Average player who was hurt a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    This is bad logic. The opposite would be "if a TE could play WR they'd be playing WR". I mean, they make double the money. Your assertions of value also only work for certain players. For example, nobody is taking the average TE over the average big WR. Also big CBs were so overhyped after Seattle's run but how many big CBs actually pan out?
    Not even close. Why would a GM/Coach pay a guy to play outside when it costs more and has less intrinsic value on the field. Let’s take Gronk in his prime for example. Why would Belichick move him outside where he’d lose his value blocking on the interior and have to pay him more? Makes zero sense. Conversely, take Calvin Johnson - he’s a good blocker on the outside, but wouldn’t hold up inside - so you play him on the outside and pay him to do it better than everyone else. BUT if he was a + blocker on the interior, there’s no doubt they’d move him to TE and pay him half the amount.

    May want to rethink yourself because you’re off bass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    Not even close. Why would a GM/Coach pay a guy to play outside when it costs more and has less intrinsic value on the field. Let’s take Gronk in his prime for example. Why would Belichick move him outside where he’d lose his value blocking on the interior and have to pay him more? Makes zero sense. Conversely, take Calvin Johnson - he’s a good blocker on the outside, but wouldn’t hold up inside - so you play him on the outside and pay him to do it better than everyone else. BUT if he was a + blocker on the interior, there’s no doubt they’d move him to TE and pay him half the amount.

    May want to rethink yourself because you’re off bass
    The Pats literally used Gronk out wide to generate size mismatches and the difference in location of a modern TE and a slot WR is often negligible. I'd love to see Gronk's career snap% at each part of the field, because there's no way he spent most of his career at a traditional TE spot outside of the OT.

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    Now that the Saints have signed Jameis Winston, lets package him and Michael Thomas and send them and a couple draft picks to Seattle for Russel Wilson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    The Pats literally used Gronk out wide to generate size mismatches and the difference in location of a modern TE and a slot WR is often negligible. I'd love to see Gronk's career snap% at each part of the field, because there's no way he spent most of his career at a traditional TE spot outside of the OT.
    Of course they did, never said otherwise. But he was listed as a TE, used more as a TE and paid as a TE. Why? Because it was more advantageous than him as a WR. Which is my entire point.

    He was absolutely used more as a traditional TE. He was the best blocking TE in the league. But I’m sure the split was more 60/40 so pretty close. But absolutely used more as a TE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    Of course they did, never said otherwise. But he was listed as a TE, used more as a TE and paid as a TE. Why? Because it was more advantageous than him as a WR. Which is my entire point.
    He would have gotten paid more as a WR, which is arguably the only "advantage" that really matters.

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    Pats brought back RB James White and DT Lawrence Guy yesterday. Along with David Andrews re-signing, that’s 3 captains back in the fold. Wouldn’t be surprised if Jason McCourty is next even if it’s anticipated more as a coach in the locker room/game day inactive type of role (not because he can’t play but because of depth). Also have Hightower opting back in (Judon said he reached out to welcome him and have kind of a players panel just to talk about how they do things and what their expectations are as a defense). Some chatter that Edelman might retire because the knee but if not he should be around more compared to IR last year.

    I think anytime you go on a major spending spree you want to make sure guys in the locker room don’t feel disrespected. It’s a bad look, IMO, to be dropping wads of cash on new guys and then players like Andrews or White or Guy who you’ve held up for years to young guys as an example you push out the door. It’s also important to have leadership in place to set an example for the new guys.

    I go back to Adalius Thomas. He’s known as the biggest bust BB signed. People forget though, his first year he moved to ILB and played well, then late in the year back to OLB after Colvin’s injury and excelled. In year 2 he was a very good OLB. He even avoided being put on IR with a broken arm because if they snuck into playoffs he wanted to try to play through. Year 3 was when he turned to bust because he clashed with BB and the whole “patriot way” thing. Lots of guys did that year because after 08 they lost Bruschi, Seymour, Rodney Harrison, Vrabel, Colvin. Huge void in leadership and it was never filled.

    Pats really haven’t lost much at all on or off the field. Thuney at LG was indirectly replaced with OT Trent Brown. Should be a loss on and off, but Browns perspective as a guy who has seen the other side and really loves it in NE kind of uniquely makes him a leader. And then on defense they swapped pass rush specialist Adam Butler for run stuffing specialist Davon Godshaux so more a stylistic move than gain or loss. Everything else is either addition to the roster over a scrub or at least a decisive upgrade of the guy being replaced is at least worthy of a roster spot (I.e. I wouldn’t call Damiere Byrd a “scrub” but Agholor is decisively an upgrade even if overpaid). Idk if they always got best bang for their buck but with the baseline so low they’re talent level is just massively improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    He would have gotten paid more as a WR, which is arguably the only "advantage" that really matters.
    That’s the biggest advantage for sure but certainly not the only advantage. I would much rather have a prime Gronk/Kelce type TE than a Megatron WR. The TE can contribute just as much in the passing game but more in the run blocking game. Couple that with the massive pay difference between top TE and top WR and the OP has his answer on why people “freak out” over these TE’s vs WR’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    That’s the biggest advantage for sure but certainly not the only advantage. I would much rather have a prime Gronk/Kelce type TE than a Megatron WR. The TE can contribute just as much in the passing game but more in the run blocking game. Couple that with the massive pay difference between top TE and top WR and the OP has his answer on why people “freak out” over these TE’s vs WR’s.
    I was just speaking in terms of the individual player.

    Jimmy Graham fought to be classified as a WR for the franchise tag but lost. (He was used almost exclusively outside of where the traditional TE lines up.)

    If Pitts has a smart agent, he shouldn't accept the TE label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    I was just speaking in terms of the individual playetry.

    Jimmy Graham fought to be classified as a WR for the franchise tag but lost. (He was used almost exclusively outside of where the traditional TE lines up.)

    If Pitts has a smart agent, he shouldn't accept the TE label.
    I mean they’re clearly defined positions. So the player doesn’t really get a say. You play more TE you’re a TE. What Pitts and his agent want don’t really matter when it comes to strategizing and executing a game plan. Where you play is where you play. You can call yourself whatever you want as a player but in reality you are what you play

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    Eagles looking at 3 1sts in 2022.

    I dig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Eagles looking at 3 1sts in 2022.

    I dig.
    Hello Deshaun Watson

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    Tyson Alualu is having a change of heart and will resign with the Steelers.


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    Looks like both top picks in the 2016 draft struggle with a lack of self-confidence:

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-angeles-rams
    Last edited by QB_Eagles; 03-29-2021 at 08:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Looks like both top picks in the 2017 draft struggle with a lack of self-confidence:

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-angeles-rams
    Lol.

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