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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Republican was a typo. It was supposed to say Democratic Republic. It means that our government combines aspects of a Democracy and a Republic. We are absolutely not a representative democracy. Hillary Clinton is the president in 2016 if we were. Because our government is a Democratic Republic, Donald Trump was president.

    The country and form of government absolutely matters. Because if a country is truly a Democracy or Republic or some combination of the two, then an attack on the government is an attack on the society.
    The form of government doesn't matter to the definition. If the people in moscow rise up in an effort to oust Putin it is insurrection ... it is not against society, just like when protestors set police stations on fire it was insurrection but not against society. Insurrection is about attacking power and it may or may not be an attack on society.

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    It's pretty clear nobody here knows what an insurrection is as we're now stretching the definition to meet our political agendas. Sad!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    The form of government doesn't matter to the definition. If the people in moscow rise up in an effort to oust Putin it is insurrection ... it is not against society, just like when protestors set police stations on fire it was insurrection but not against society. Insurrection is about attacking power and it may or may not be an attack on society.
    You're actually saying form of government doesn't matter when comparing a dictatorship to a democracy. You're the best.
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    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Scoots you're confusing insurrection with rebellion. They are different. I know everyone wants to create an argument that the other side is just as bad, but let's not be hilarious with our creativity. Because then you have to start owning all the riots in where a police station is attacked, or a police officer is attacked, or a federal building it torched or occupied, and call them all insurrections too. You can't pick and choose. Were the Rodney King Riots an insurrection? Of course not. You know they weren't or else you would've been calling them that. What about the 2014 Bundy Standoff in Oregon when a right wing militia occupied the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge? That was a federal building taken over. Did anyone call it an insurrection? Of course not. Context matters.

    A functioning government in areas of control by anti-government forces through a rebellion is only temporary, while a rebellion, by definition, is a failed revolution, though that difference is lost on the dead. However, because of a functioning government, rebellions and revolutions can field actual armies, whereas insurrections are more hit and run guerrilla operations. Historically, insurrectionists were called bandits. You could stretch an argument to say the Autonomous Zones are form of rebellion, but the George Floyd riots, as well as the Rodney King riots, as well as the Bundy Standoff, don't fit either of those definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    It's possible to know things about situations that haven't happened.

    I'm under the impression that the right wing narrative about this story is completely different than what it would be were the perpetrators a diff race or religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    And people literally chanted "stop the steal" as they stormed the Capitol. It is the height of partisanship to suggest Antifa burning a courthouse in Portland was an insurrection while people storming the literal US Capitol because they didn't want the President to be certified was not.
    Personally I think both fit the definition of riots, I don't consider either an "insurectuon".
    That word is being bandied about to score dumb cheep argumwnt points on the internet, what they were is riots. Hyperbole isn't going to help the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Really? They sought to stop the proper tabulation of the vote and get another individual than the elected official by the country. It’s like you’re trying to make bad arguments.
    100% sought to do that? It looked more like a protest that got out of hand and turned into a riot

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    Last edited by emily7788; 04-04-2021 at 11:19 AM.

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    insurrection.

    an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.
    if those at the Capitol were an insurrection, then so is Antifa in places like Portland and Seattle in an attack against a federal courthouse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    100% sought to do that? It looked more like a protest that got out of hand and turned into a riot
    Yes that is why they went on that specific day. It is why they were chasing down the Vice President and wanting to hang him along with other constitutional officials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Scoots you're confusing insurrection with rebellion. They are different. I know everyone wants to create an argument that the other side is just as bad, but let's not be hilarious with our creativity. Because then you have to start owning all the riots in where a police station is attacked, or a police officer is attacked, or a federal building it torched or occupied, and call them all insurrections too. You can't pick and choose. Were the Rodney King Riots an insurrection? Of course not. You know they weren't or else you would've been calling them that. What about the 2014 Bundy Standoff in Oregon when a right wing militia occupied the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge? That was a federal building taken over. Did anyone call it an insurrection? Of course not. Context matters.

    A functioning government in areas of control by anti-government forces through a rebellion is only temporary, while a rebellion, by definition, is a failed revolution, though that difference is lost on the dead. However, because of a functioning government, rebellions and revolutions can field actual armies, whereas insurrections are more hit and run guerrilla operations. Historically, insurrectionists were called bandits. You could stretch an argument to say the Autonomous Zones are form of rebellion, but the George Floyd riots, as well as the Rodney King riots, as well as the Bundy Standoff, don't fit either of those definitions.
    That is his MO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    You're actually saying form of government doesn't matter when comparing a dictatorship to a democracy. You're the best.
    Once again showing that you don't read.

    What does the form of any government anywhere have on the definition of a word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Scoots you're confusing insurrection with rebellion. They are different. I know everyone wants to create an argument that the other side is just as bad, but let's not be hilarious with our creativity. Because then you have to start owning all the riots in where a police station is attacked, or a police officer is attacked, or a federal building it torched or occupied, and call them all insurrections too. You can't pick and choose. Were the Rodney King Riots an insurrection? Of course not. You know they weren't or else you would've been calling them that. What about the 2014 Bundy Standoff in Oregon when a right wing militia occupied the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge? That was a federal building taken over. Did anyone call it an insurrection? Of course not. Context matters.

    A functioning government in areas of control by anti-government forces through a rebellion is only temporary, while a rebellion, by definition, is a failed revolution, though that difference is lost on the dead. However, because of a functioning government, rebellions and revolutions can field actual armies, whereas insurrections are more hit and run guerrilla operations. Historically, insurrectionists were called bandits. You could stretch an argument to say the Autonomous Zones are form of rebellion, but the George Floyd riots, as well as the Rodney King riots, as well as the Bundy Standoff, don't fit either of those definitions.
    dbroncos said "by definition" ... look up the definition of insurrection. It's about attacks on power.

    I wasn't even talking about Jan 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    That is his MO.
    I didn't say anything about Jan 6 nor did I say anything about political parties or both sides or anything like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    dbroncos said "by definition" ... look up the definition of insurrection. It's about attacks on power.

    I wasn't even talking about Jan 6.
    And who do the congress people and president derive their power according to our Constitution? Are they manna from heaven? Or do those legislators and the president derive their power from...the people?
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