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[nastynice]

Employers not paying for employees health insurance and employees paying for it is a bad idea at every angle you look at it.

Why? Better rates for business owners?

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[valade16]

Currently, the Medicare tax rate is 2.9% and is split between employee and employer equally.
If we're expecting universal health care, not unreasonable for us to pay a higher tax for it.

The most reasonable would be that everyone gets the equivalent of Medicare Parts A and B (basic Medicare) and maybe a basic Part D (prescription drugs). Currently, that costs in the neighborhood of $175/mo. This isn't complete coverage, but it's basic coverage (complete coverage would come from adding an Advantage or Medigap plan).

So yes, if everyone automatically got a Medicare type coverage, the rest could be add-on. However, insurance costs currently are a deterrent for employers to hire older workers because they cost more (I mean like up to $1,000/mo more) so that would also need to be factored in.

Now, if a company no longer has to pay for a group health plan, they can pay much of the above and still be money ahead. I think that's a part that people don't necessarily think of. However, that doesn't pay for those NOT currently on a group plan (part-timers, unemployed, etc)

My thought is, if we’re going radically overhaul our healthcare system to a universal system modeled on Medicare, let’s also fix the problems identified with Medicare.

[SiteWolf]

Employers not paying for employees health insurance and employees paying for it is a bad idea at every angle you look at it.

I said nothing about employers not paying. I said employees could reasonably pay a higher tax rate than they do currently, but the rest would be paid by the employer including any add-on ad they'd still come out ahead given they'd no longer be paying current group insurance premiums.

[SiteWolf]

My thought is, if we’re going radically overhaul our healthcare system to a universal system modeled on Medicare, let’s also fix the problems identified with Medicare.

oh definitely, I just said Medicare type insurance because it's already a program in place that's basically universal health care, just one for only those 65+

[brett05]

I trust that you are in 100% opposition to the death penalty? The same level of opposition gets used for people who use a gun when exerting their second amendment rights?

Nobody can make the biological argument that there are fetuses involved there rather than humans. 100% of the people in those cases are human beings.

Ok science tells us that at conception the person is a human being. Never said otherwise. You and perhaps others need that stated.

Now as for your death penalty the analogy is what pro murder folks love to go to. An invalid analogy.

The criminal willingly gave up their right to life. The human inside their mother did not.

[Walter_White]

Ok science tells us that at conception the person is a human being. Never said otherwise. You and perhaps others need that stated.

Now as for your death penalty the analogy is what pro murder folks love to go to. An invalid analogy.

The criminal willingly gave up their right to life. The human inside their mother did not.

You are not the arbiter of who has surrendered their right to life. That is a protection afforded to everyone in the Constitution.

[brett05]

You are not the arbiter of who has surrendered their right to life. That is a protection afforded to everyone in the Constitution.

Except the law makes it clear when you waive said rights

[WES445]

Ok science tells us that at conception the person is a human being. Never said otherwise. You and perhaps others need that stated.

Now as for your death penalty the analogy is what pro murder folks love to go to. An invalid analogy.

The criminal willingly gave up their right to life. The human inside their mother did not.

Wait, wait, how do criminals willingly give up their life?

[WES445]

We have executed mentally handicapped prisoners, were they able to "willingly" consent to be killed? With all the prisoners' fighting, innocent or not, their execution date, it doesn't seem they are OK with this sentencing.

Someone passed judgment on them that they will be killed. It wasn't a "well you caught me, so why don't you kill me" moment.

[Walter_White]

Except the law makes it clear when you waive said rights

Yeah the law, meaning a judge and jury, not brett05

[dbroncos78087]

Except the law makes it clear when you waive said rights

Or in the case of abortion, the law makes it clear that such rights never existed because a fetus isn't a human being.

[SfgiantsJD3]

Currently, the Medicare tax rate is 2.9% and is split between employee and employer equally.
If we're expecting universal health care, not unreasonable for us to pay a higher tax for it.

The most reasonable would be that everyone gets the equivalent of Medicare Parts A and B (basic Medicare) and maybe a basic Part D (prescription drugs). Currently, that costs in the neighborhood of $175/mo. This isn't complete coverage, but it's basic coverage (complete coverage would come from adding an Advantage or Medigap plan).

So yes, if everyone automatically got a Medicare type coverage, the rest could be add-on. However, insurance costs currently are a deterrent for employers to hire older workers because they cost more (I mean like up to $1,000/mo more) so that would also need to be factored in.

Now, if a company no longer has to pay for a group health plan, they can pay much of the above and still be money ahead. I think that's a part that people don't necessarily think of. However, that doesn't pay for those NOT currently on a group plan (part-timers, unemployed, etc)

I don't have an issue with that logic, but who covers the 50-100 million that aren't employed or dependents, moving that cost to business is my issue, which is what the affordable care act did, raised prices and increased out of pocket at a higher cost to our business.

There is a lot of income that is exempt from Medicare tax, that only applies to wages /pass through earnings of sub-s and llcs.

[brett05]

Wait, wait, how do criminals willingly give up their life?

of course they do...all the time

[brett05]

Or in the case of abortion, the law makes it clear that such rights never existed because a fetus isn't a human being.

Except the law says it is, they just legalized murder. But keep going down the rabbit hole

[dbroncos78087]

Except the law says it is, they just legalized murder. But keep going down the rabbit hole

Could you please cite the section of law that says a fetus is a person?