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  1. #676
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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Yes! It's other people who need to do their part while you offer nothing but glorious opinions!
    well, I'm not a member of Congress, are you?
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    well, I'm not a member of Congress, are you?
    Nope. You're an American citizen who supposedly spends his money at small businesses all while never encouraging anyone else to follow your glorious lead. Instead you just make excuses as to why the minimum wage shouldn't be $15 and say that other people need to work on it.

    I spend a lot of my money on small businesses all while not earning that much. I got my dog food at a local store called Big Paws and encouraged everyone I know to shop there. A friend of mine even got hired by them for a short while. I even made a thread on the GD forum for people to give props to their favourite local restaurants. You know, a way for people to talk about their favourite small businesses. Oh and I constantly push for minimum wage increases online and in real life.

    This is why I call you a massive hypocrite. I hope that's clear.
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    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    So your big issue with me is that I'm not stomping on the floor for a $15 minimum wage, then?

    I'm pro-increase, haven't even said $15 is too high other than not in one jump, and have said there are pros and cons to any increase (which isn't opinion, it's factual).......but that makes me...hypocritical?

    Perhaps part of the problem is, you don't actually know the definition of hypocritical?
    And you definitely don't understand that I don't much care what you think, just asked out of curiosity.
    I already told you. You're a massive hypocrite. Look at what you just wrote. You support a $15 minimum wage but at the same time you don't. This is textbook hypocrisy.
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    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    The best part is that they don't even realize it. They think they're sticking it to the system by supporting a figure from said system lol. I've had to leave many blackjack tables because of people who think it's everyone for themselves as opposed to everyone against the dealer.
    You're definitely not. Your the only sane conservative around besides scoots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    You're definitely not. Your the only sane conservative around besides scoots

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    Eh?
    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Good for you (and I mean that genuinely) regarding promoting small businesses. Certainly, I could do more than I do, but I also live in a town of 700 so there's not much actual local. Still, I try when I can to spend money locally in the nearby town I do more of my shopping in. I'm more of a word of mouth guy than social media, tho, but not sure where you got that I don't promote local business (I have multiple family and friends who OWN local businesses, I guarantee I spend money and promote those).

    You say I both support $15 minimum and don't, which is simply untrue. I have NEVER thought jumping from $7.25 to $15 in one shot was a good idea, admitted not initially realizing the proposal was to move to $9.50 and increment up from there by 2025. When asked, I suggested moving to $11 and adding $1/yr.

    But I've also pointed out that there could be negative effects of a significant increase, in part because raising the minimum also effects employees making more than the minimum, which then puts further pressure on employers.

    You're a small business proponent. What do you think might happen if the owner of Big Paws is mandated to noticeably increase the pay of all their employees? Let's say they have 4 employees- 2 below the new minimum and 2 at the new minimum. What happens when the 1st 2 have to have a noticeable increase. Is he going to be able to keep the other 2 if they don't also get a raise? So, he has to give all 4 a raise. Where is that money coming from? His net profits, right? So in order for HIM to not lose income, he has 3 choices- increase sales, increase prices, or reduce expenses...and assumedly he's already reduced other expenses so the next expenses to reduce are payroll- meaning fewer employees or fewer hours or fewer benefits.

    But again, I have consistently said the minimum should absolutely go up and that it should never take 12 years for it to happen again, I have just also consistently said there are both pros and cons to doing it.

    We're all just hear spinning our opinions. We don't post about everything we're doing when we're not posting here. As it happens, I've been involved with a group that's arranging direct conversations with our congressmen or members of their staffs specifically TO talk about what actions we'd like to see.

    I hope THAT'S clear.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Eh?
    I meant to quote sitewolf lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    I meant to quote sitewolf lol

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    I was about to ask what about me gives off the conservative vibe lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Opposing $15/hr is rooting for small businesses. To raise their costs of doing business that much at this time means that a lot of them will fail.
    Opposing $15/hr is rooting for Walmart to take over everything.
    Not everyone has the same warped outlook as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    [emoji23] We got an internet tough guy over here who most certainly isn't insecure.
    Definitely NOT defensive either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    That's the thing with Republicans. They can't stand facing the truth. Scoots and SiteWolf are prime examples.
    Nope, not republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    over half the states already DO have minimums above the federal...with a number of them at 11+

    First thing needed is to define what a living wage IS and whether it applies across the board.
    Once a definition is determined, they can build a formula that aims to KEEP minimums at a living wage.
    Yes and no. That supposes that minimum wage SHOULD provide whatever a living wage is. If a "living wage" is an ability to live within walking distance of work by yourself in a reasonably safe and comfortable place while being able to partake in common entertainment and eating well that would mean minimum wage on wall street would be more than $50/hr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    The best part is that they don't even realize it. They think they're sticking it to the system by supporting a figure from said system lol. I've had to leave many blackjack tables because of people who think it's everyone for themselves as opposed to everyone against the dealer.
    And the mega plex casinos thank you for making them richer and richer with you playing more and more against the odds which lines their pockets.
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    Another clueless brett post? No way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    How many jobs are out there that pay less than $11 already? My area has a low cost of living and even the convenience stores start above $11.
    $15 is not a compromise. It is a pipe dream.
    $11 isn't a living wage in Iowa.

    A million people would be raised out of poverty and 10 million would make more money.
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