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    FA's Want a Winning Culture...Would Trading Randle Turn These FA's Off ?

    All during last year's Free Agency, we kept hearing that FA's want to see organizations trying to win. Will Barrett, Robinson, Quickly and Toppin be enough of a lure? Assuming we look to trade Julius at the peak of his value, will that deter FA's from coming to MSG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeFanAlways View Post
    All during last year's Free Agency, we kept hearing that FA's want to see organizations trying to win. Will Barrett, Robinson, Quickly and Toppin be enough of a lure? Assuming we look to trade Julius at the peak of his value, will that deter FA's from coming to MSG?
    If we trade him without getting a really good player back like Beal then yes.

    I do think we could let him walk this offseason if two guys liked what they saw and wanted to team up here (ala DLo in Brooklyn).

    I don't think trading Randle for picks is on the table right now unless we immediately use those picks in another trade.

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    To me, it all comes down to the organizations confidence in Obi Toppin. If we believe Obi Toppin is going to replace Randle's production then you have to let Randle go ASAP. If we are unsure about Obi then you just keep riding out Quickley-Rj-Randle-Mitch as much as possible and let them develop chemistry together. We truly haven't committed to a core of players in a long-time and let them grow together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    To me, it all comes down to the organizations confidence in Obi Toppin. If we believe Obi Toppin is going to replace Randle's production then you have to let Randle go ASAP. If we are unsure about Obi then you just keep riding out Quickley-Rj-Randle-Mitch as much as possible and let them develop chemistry together. We truly haven't committed to a core of players in a long-time and let them grow together.
    The best part is we have Randle's team option so we don't even have to make the Randle/Obi decision until after next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    The best part is we have Randle's team option so we don't even have to make the Randle/Obi decision until after next season.
    Very true. Obi has time to prove he is worth it or not. I really don't know what is preventing me from embracing Randle but I really don't think he is the future of this future. However, considering his cap hit would be $4 million if we cut him and his contract is only like $20 it seems like a no brainer to keep him for the difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    To me, it all comes down to the organizations confidence in Obi Toppin. If we believe Obi Toppin is going to replace Randle's production then you have to let Randle go ASAP. If we are unsure about Obi then you just keep riding out Quickley-Rj-Randle-Mitch as much as possible and let them develop chemistry together. We truly haven't committed to a core of players in a long-time and let them grow together.
    Randle is putting up Jokic numbers... what are the chances Obi gets anywhere near that? Seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfStarks View Post
    Randle is putting up Jokic numbers... what are the chances Obi gets anywhere near that? Seriously
    First, I love ya but you gotta pump the breaks on that comparison.

    Randle = 22ppg / 11rpg / 6apg on splits 47/38/81 for a TS% of 58% and a PER of 21
    Jokic = 27ppg / 12rpg / 9apg on splits 57/37/84 for a TS% of 66% and a PER of 31.4 (#1 in NBA)

    Totally different caliber of players. Randle MIGHT make the all-star team with and Jokic could win MVP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    First, I love ya but you gotta pump the breaks on that comparison.

    Randle = 22ppg / 11rpg / 6apg on splits 47/38/81 for a TS% of 58% and a PER of 21
    Jokic = 27ppg / 12rpg / 9apg on splits 57/37/84 for a TS% of 66% and a PER of 31.4 (#1 in NBA)

    Totally different caliber of players. Randle MIGHT make the all-star team with and Jokic could win MVP.
    Iím not saying Randle is Jokic. I donít think heís anywhere near that... I also donít think Obi is Randle... in fact the gap between Randle/Jokic is probably a lot closer than the gap between Obi/Randle if weíre being real here

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    To be honest, I donít think other really good NBA players are saying ďI canít wait to team up with RandleĒ

    But if we believe Randles play is reasonably sustainable, itís tough to trade him at what he will cost next year. Also, tough to get back good value for him. Heís played like a borderline all-star. Donít know that everyone would treat him as such when dealing with us

    Iíd be surprised if we dealt him
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    To be honest, I donít think other really good NBA players are saying ďI canít wait to team up with RandleĒ

    But if we believe Randles play is reasonably sustainable, itís tough to trade him at what he will cost next year. Also, tough to get back good value for him. Heís played like a borderline all-star. Donít know that everyone would treat him as such when dealing with us
    I agree. He's earned his contract but to me I wish we were swinging for the fences of a lottery pick and $50 million in cap space. Instead we are going to be in NBA purgatory with a pick around #10 (not a game changer), an untested Obi, and only cap space to sign 1 big FA. Like you said I don't think Randle is the piece to entice a big FA to come here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    I agree. He's earned his contract but to me I wish we were swinging for the fences of a lottery pick and $50 million in cap space. Instead we are going to be in NBA purgatory with a pick around #10 (not a game changer), an untested Obi, and only cap space to sign 1 big FA. Like you said I don't think Randle is the piece to entice a big FA to come here.
    I agree with that assessment. But it is what it is, Iím just going to make the best of it, and hope Mitch and RJ keep trending up, Randle is at least 85% for real, and IQ keeps looking like a potential stud. If we can get to a team that has a sustainable run of above .500 playoff teams that put up a fight, Iíll take it. A lot easier to swing a deal from that position, than where we are currently
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    To be honest, I donít think other really good NBA players are saying ďI canít wait to team up with RandleĒ

    But if we believe Randles play is reasonably sustainable, itís tough to trade him at what he will cost next year. Also, tough to get back good value for him. Heís played like a borderline all-star. Donít know that everyone would treat him as such when dealing with us


    Iíd be surprised if we dealt him
    The Thread didn't intend to see if FA's are clamoring to play with Randle. It asks the question, "If we trade him away do they see us as continuing to be a losing organization?". Remember that all prognosticators were saying FA's don't want to come here because we haven't developed a winning culture. We're starting to finally TRY TO WIN...what a concept !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeFanAlways View Post
    The Thread didn't intend to see if FA's are clamoring to play with Randle. It asks the question, "If we trade him away do they see us as continuing to be a losing organization?". Remember that all prognosticators were saying FA's don't want to come here because we haven't developed a winning culture. We're starting to finally TRY TO WIN...what a concept !!
    Well you are asking about how it will be viewed if we deal him, right?

    I donít think it will make any difference how we are viewed by dealing him, so how isnít that relevant to your question? I think thatís answering it..

    If someone is coming here, itís because they like the coach, and they like the young pieces we have. I then discussed the issues with dealing Randle. Itís not about the optics, itís basically about us likely not getting fair value back for him. Players wonít say ďlook at them screwing up again, I canít believe they dumped himĒ. But if we donít get back a good player, or a haul of picks, whatís the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    Well you are asking about how it will be viewed if we deal him, right?

    I donít think it will make any difference how we are viewed by dealing him, so how isnít that relevant to your question? I think thatís answering it..

    If someone is coming here, itís because they like the coach, and they like the young pieces we have. I then discussed the issues with dealing Randle. Itís not about the optics, itís basically about us likely not getting fair value back for him. Players wonít say ďlook at them screwing up again, I canít believe they dumped himĒ. But if we donít get back a good player, or a haul of picks, whatís the point?
    You don't think it makes any difference at all to an upcoming FA if we dump an all star level player for a pick at the deadline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    You don't think it makes any difference at all to an upcoming FA if we dump an all star level player for a pick at the deadline?
    I donít think heís the key to us ďrecruitingĒ, so to speak. Barrett and Quickley are. But if we dropped Randle, but added a big FA along with a very good support guy, whatís the difference? He is the only real way we are getting another top level player anyway, by trading his money(and his value), or by declining the option

    I also said I donít see it making sense for us to deal him, as I donít think he will return equal value. How much a return you think heís getting? And whoís giving up a haul to get him?

    I also donít see much out there for us to sign that we should be letting make decisions for us. Who we letting shape our roster? You letting Oladipo come in and demand a max deal AND tell us who to sign, trade, and keep? I donít see one guy, unless youíre telling me you think Kawhi is opting out and coming here

    End of the day, make your moves, who cares what FA think. We strike out anyway, canít depend on it
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