Who Leads Off?

[R. Johnson#3]

But why is a 9th hitter not expected/required to get on base? For me that’s the main thing they should be trying to do. Especially if you are starting the lineup with the boppers.

I agree that he doesn’t deserve to lose AB’s though. That’s my only reservation about the theory. If we had a speedster who gets OB but hits with a noodle then that is obviously the perfect 9hitter.

It's not that they're not required to. It's more to do with that spot being reserved for one of, if not the worst hitter in the lineup which is either Grichuk or whoever catches. The philosophy being thrown around by some for Springer leading off is that you want your best hitters getting the most ABs. I use that same philosophy for the 9 spot. I want my worst hitter getting the least ABs.

[ChongInc.]

It's not that they're not required to. It's more to do with that spot being reserved for one of, if not the worst hitter in the lineup which is either Grichuk or whoever catches. The philosophy being thrown around by some for Springer leading off is that you want your best hitters getting the most ABs. I use that same philosophy for the 9 spot. I want my worst hitter getting the least ABs.

Yeah which makes sense over the course of a full season. I get where you’re coming from. I just really hate our best hitters coming up with 2 outs already, when they could have biggio OB 40% of the time. I think you get where I’m coming from too.

[wamco]

I’m gonna lose my **** if I see it suggested again that biggio bat 7 8 or 9.

Obp is undervalued in ops.

23 pct k rate is refenced but what would it be with robo umps?

Id put biggio as player-manager right now and fire chuckles

[ChongInc.]

I’m gonna lose my **** if I see it suggested again that biggio bat 7 8 or 9.

Obp is undervalued in ops.

23 pct k rate is refenced but what would it be with robo umps?

Id put biggio as player-manager right now and fire chuckles

Gonna lose it if ppl keep suggesting putting our best OBP guy before our best RBI guys?

[hanton]

Start a new thread and discuss how one of the best eyes to come this way needs to bat at the bottom of the order.

[ChongInc.]

Start a new thread and discuss how one of the best eyes to come this way needs to bat at the bottom of the order.

This directed at me?

The point is to get biggio before the big bats, while appeasing springers preference to lead off.
As I said in one of these threads - I think springer will ultimately bat 2nd - after biggio.

When I proposed the idea I was clear that this was 2k theory crafting, and have since said that it won’t work IRL and explains the reasons why.

Meh.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

He also has a 23% K rate.

The question is if you have him higher who do you take ABs from keeping in mind between 1-5 that's on ave 70 PA which can be 7HRs for our mashers.

AL Ave PA:
1st - 762
2nd - 743
3rd - 725
4th - 709
5th - 693
6th - 675
7th - 657
8th - 638
9th - 618

Again this isn't a bad problem from an organizational depth standpoint, it will be for those who lose some PAs. If all goes according to past trends and future progressions, we might end up with a top 3 MLB offense. Not sure we can go too wrong on the batting order, just goes by preferences.

I already listed my batting order. Given half the team isnt proven compared to Biggio (despite the others having higher ceiling), i dont have a problem prefering biggio over others.

[R. Johnson#3]

Yeah which makes sense over the course of a full season. I get where you’re coming from. I just really hate our best hitters coming up with 2 outs already, when they could have biggio OB 40% of the time. I think you get where I’m coming from too.

Well that's the thing. If Springer is coming up after Biggio and Bichette then I don't expect there to be 2 outs. In all honesty though, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Springer batting 2nd. He could match JD's production if he hits there.

[hanton]

This directed at me?

The point is to get biggio before the big bats, while appeasing springers preference to lead off.
As I said in one of these threads - I think springer will ultimately bat 2nd - after biggio.

When I proposed the idea I was clear that this was 2k theory crafting, and have since said that it won’t work IRL and explains the reasons why.

Meh.

Not really following the details but anyone wanting him to bat 9th/7th or anywhere around there needs to give their head a shake. Look at the chart below, good company

Biggio is near the top of the league in Pitches per Plate Appearance, next best is Teo and Vlady. I want Biggio 1,2, or 3. Preferably 2 now that we have Springer.

Springer
Bioggio
Bo
Teo
Vlady
LGJ
....

[hanton]

...and I believe the above order is what Montoyo will deploy, modified slightly for days off/lefty/righty splits ....etc

[R. Johnson#3]

Not really following the details but anyone wanting him to bat 9th/7th or anywhere around there needs to give their head a shake. Look at the chart below, good company

Biggio is near the top of the league in Pitches per Plate Appearance, next best is Teo and Vlady. I want Biggio 1,2, or 3. Preferably 2 now that we have Springer.

Springer
Bioggio
Bo
Teo
Vlady
LGJ
....

I'd also like to point out how the majority of the hitters on this list are power hitters. It's pretty impressive to see a guy that hits maybe half the amount of HRs as most of the guys on this list be able to command a strike zone in the same manner.

[R. Johnson#3]

...and I believe the above order is what Montoyo will deploy, modified slightly for days off/lefty/righty splits ....etc

Until Vladdy proves himself I think you need to hit Gurriel in the 5 spot. For me personally he's exactly what I want out of a 5 hitter. Decent power stroke and the ability to hit it anywhere on the field.

[hanton]

Until Vladdy proves himself I think you need to hit Gurriel in the 5 spot. For me personally he's exactly what I want out of a 5 hitter. Decent power stroke and the ability to hit it anywhere on the field.

Well I posted what I believe the order will be, will just wait until the season begins, it's a good problem to have though.

[R. Johnson#3]

Well I posted what I believe the order will be, will just wait until the season begins, it's a good problem to have though.

Absolutely. There's going to be a lot of them with the lineup this year lol.

[wamco]

Gonna lose it if ppl keep suggesting putting our best OBP guy before our best RBI guys?

- what do you think bill james would say?