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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I said trust me after saying we just disagree. Not to sell you anything.

    I never said it wasnt controlled by corporate, cmon this country fought for freedom over TEA. "Corporate" control is nothing new.

    What does the movie network existing mean? lol, of course people have known this, it just wasnt as common as now. For example, talk to anyone about our business in south america, list out the countries where we have overthrown govts, and see if.people.knew this already or not. Vast majority dont. Whereas if you mention it about the middle east, many more people will be aware of.the idea of.us going to war for oil, etc.

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    So do you know what a politician means when they say "Trust me"?

    Network won 4 academy awards and 4 golden globes. The point is that the issues with fake news has been widely known for a long time. It wasn't widely unknown, it was common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Ya I think this has happened for sure and people are able to just stick to what they want to hear. Mainstream media has to cater to this as well in order to keep audiences tuning in which has pushed them a bit more extreme/partisan in coverage and now they just say the other side is "fake news" if it doesn't fit the narrative being pushed.
    I agree. It's not new, but the propagation of 24 hour TV news has pushed TV news in that direction in increasing speed. I think part of it being that the old news model of 1 hour of TV news a day just can't work for reporting "just the facts" anymore, not that it was perfect before. 9/11 really made it blatant and there have been many studies done about the constant repetition of the same limited information and video over and over and over, and in an effort to have something "new" the news stations went to "experts" and "opinion" speak, which helped make the "hot take" more prevalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    His brand is dead amongst his peers, his followers are shrinking and Proud Boys and extreme groups like them are finished with him. They thought he was their savior but turned into a paper tiger.
    That's funny. Your above statement just shows how ignorant the left is about Trump and his supporters. Half of the country at least voted for him in a stolen election. We know it was stolen. We are smart and loyal people as a group. As for the extreme groups, they are not part of the overwhelming masses who support Trump. The old Republican Party is going to be housecleaned. Just like the Democrat Party has housecleaned itself from what used to be considered Blue Dog Democrats and is right now a Socialist Party, the Republican Party will turn to be a Populist Party with an umbrella that will include an army of Hispanics, Blacks, and blue collar whites in it.

    There will be a big coming to Jesus moment in the future when the ideology fight turns into a real fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    That's funny. Your above statement just shows how ignorant the left is about Trump and his supporters. Half of the country at least voted for him in a stolen election. We know it was stolen. We are smart and loyal people as a group. As for the extreme groups, they are not part of the overwhelming masses who support Trump. The old Republican Party is going to be housecleaned. Just like the Democrat Party has housecleaned itself from what used to be considered Blue Dog Democrats and is right now a Socialist Party, the Republican Party will turn to be a Populist Party with an umbrella that will include an army of Hispanics, Blacks, and blue collar whites in it.

    There will be a big coming to Jesus moment in the future when the ideology fight turns into a real fight.
    Loyal? Certainly. Smart? Not by a longshot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    That's good stuff. I agree. Not in the blanket sense he implies, but fundamentally "conservative" news is about fighting "liberal" news, and that's been true for a long time. Unfortunately I think "liberal" news outlets have been sliding into the "teams" view of everything too ... not nearly as bad for most but it does seem to be deteriorating.
    Which is why news outlets overtly supporting a side are probably not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Lol except what you back it up with makes no sense and scoots already shared plenty showing you off base. The fact that those were made also shows people were aware and it was in the open at the time. At the very least logic and actual examples throughout history can easily be shown while you havenít made a coherent point/example the other way yet.

    The news has gotten a bit more extreme catering to bases, sure as I said. The general idea of media having an agenda isnít remotely new nor are many people screaming fake news even aware what it actually is (as your own example is proof of). People are using the idea of fake news to call things they donít wanna hear fake which is different than an actual awareness.


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    The extremes calling fake news fake is effecting the moderates perception of news.

    Scoots mentioned a few pieces done in the subject, that doesnt mean it was common knowledge. I can show you plenty of topics spoken about in the 70's that were not common knowledge.

    If you dont agree with me that's fine, you dont have to. You're more concerned with winning an argument than speaking on a topic. That's fine, do you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    That's funny. Your above statement just shows how ignorant the left is about Trump and his supporters. Half of the country at least voted for him in a stolen election. We know it was stolen. We are smart and loyal people as a group. As for the extreme groups, they are not part of the overwhelming masses who support Trump. The old Republican Party is going to be housecleaned. Just like the Democrat Party has housecleaned itself from what used to be considered Blue Dog Democrats and is right now a Socialist Party, the Republican Party will turn to be a Populist Party with an umbrella that will include an army of Hispanics, Blacks, and blue collar whites in it.

    There will be a big coming to Jesus moment in the future when the ideology fight turns into a real fight.
    You should move to Israel. That's where it's going down.

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    RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS

    "i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts

    "God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory

    "don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Tthe Republican Party will turn to be a Populist Party with an umbrella that will include an army of Hispanics, Blacks, and blue collar whites in it.

    There will be a big coming to Jesus moment in the future when the ideology fight turns into a real fight.

    Why do you think we are interested in hearing some crazed feverish wet dreams of revenge on liberals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    That's funny. Your above statement just shows how ignorant the left is about Trump and his supporters. Half of the country at least voted for him in a stolen election. We know it was stolen. We are smart and loyal people as a group. As for the extreme groups, they are not part of the overwhelming masses who support Trump. The old Republican Party is going to be housecleaned. Just like the Democrat Party has housecleaned itself from what used to be considered Blue Dog Democrats and is right now a Socialist Party, the Republican Party will turn to be a Populist Party with an umbrella that will include an army of Hispanics, Blacks, and blue collar whites in it.

    There will be a big coming to Jesus moment in the future when the ideology fight turns into a real fight.
    More calls to violence and threats from BOP.

    You knew about the insurrection attempt, and supported the calls to violence. Then it happened and you played innocent. Now you're back to calls of violence. You shouldn't be on this forum. This type of talk is not acceptable IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    You should move to Israel. That's where it's going down.

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    Nah. I like Israelis a lot though. Tough folks. Some irritating quirks but they understand that they must fight for everything that they have and want to keep. I like that in people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Why do you think we are interested in hearing some crazed feverish wet dreams of revenge on liberals?
    Who is "we" WES? Am I interrupting your little sewing circle of slobbering liberals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    There will be a big coming to Jesus moment in the future when the ideology fight turns into a real fight.
    Interesting use of a figure of speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Which is why news outlets overtly supporting a side are probably not good.
    I'd much rather it be overt than covert. At least transparency is easier to work with. But yes, ideally there would be no bias but unfortunately that's not really possible with humans. Maybe AI based news is the only hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I agree. It's not new, but the propagation of 24 hour TV news has pushed TV news in that direction in increasing speed. I think part of it being that the old news model of 1 hour of TV news a day just can't work for reporting "just the facts" anymore, not that it was perfect before. 9/11 really made it blatant and there have been many studies done about the constant repetition of the same limited information and video over and over and over, and in an effort to have something "new" the news stations went to "experts" and "opinion" speak, which helped make the "hot take" more prevalent.
    Ya that makes sense as well, the need to have all day coverage/viewers as you mentioned is likely part of it as well. Itís certainly changed over time with advancements in tech and how they are run given what you mention of all day coverage


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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    The extremes calling fake news fake is effecting the moderates perception of news.

    Scoots mentioned a few pieces done in the subject, that doesnt mean it was common knowledge. I can show you plenty of topics spoken about in the 70's that were not common knowledge.

    If you dont agree with me that's fine, you dont have to. You're more concerned with winning an argument than speaking on a topic. That's fine, do you.


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    Not really, the news stations themselves going more extreme would be what gets more pushback from moderates if you will. No one is like oh this crazy guy is yelling fake news, I am now aware media has an agenda!

    Itís still more than anything you have presented and when asked your examples didnít even fit or make sense.

    You can and will have whatever opinion you want but realize your approach is going to be an issue when you make claims that canít be backed up and go against evidence/most posters and seems solely based on what you personally knew and how thatís changed.


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