GW Bush vs. Trump

[MRSpock]

Oh and hot take. IMO the worst thing Bush did is how he campaigned. He really started the never ending hate train of campaigning in America. It seems like nothing now, but he really pushed the envelope on negative adds, and each party has gotten worse ever since.

[dbroncos78087]

Bush is the worse president because of all the people who died directly due to his presidency. Americans and people in the countries he invaded. They both gave away tax cuts that should never have been passed and while that is a bad policy, it doesn't hurt or kill anyone. Trump's complete disregard to COVID definitely is bad points against him. But Bush chose to go to war and have our soldiers die in another country and chose to have civilians killed and our civil rights removed through the Patriot Act.

That being said, Trump is in the top 5 of worst presidents. So many things he did to destroy our institutions. That is terrible and unforgivable. I can only hope that Democrats aren't weak on his legacy too. We seem insistent on letting Bush try to repair his damaged legacy.

[blams]

Trump is the worst president.






Bush just did what 'Murca would have almost certainly done with just about anyone in charge. Its what we do. Imperialism, power, destabilization, all as American as Apple pie.




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[Scoots]

Oh and hot take. IMO the worst thing Bush did is how he campaigned. He really started the never ending hate train of campaigning in America. It seems like nothing now, but he really pushed the envelope on negative adds, and each party has gotten worse ever since.

You don't know your history. There was WAY more non-stop hate in the past than Bush did.

[Scoots]

Bush is the worse president because of all the people who died directly due to his presidency. Americans and people in the countries he invaded. They both gave away tax cuts that should never have been passed and while that is a bad policy, it doesn't hurt or kill anyone. Trump's complete disregard to COVID definitely is bad points against him. But Bush chose to go to war and have our soldiers die in another country and chose to have civilians killed and our civil rights removed through the Patriot Act.

That being said, Trump is in the top 5 of worst presidents. So many things he did to destroy our institutions. That is terrible and unforgivable. I can only hope that Democrats aren't weak on his legacy too. We seem insistent on letting Bush try to repair his damaged legacy.

Agreed.

[dbroncos78087]

You don't know your history. There was WAY more non-stop hate in the past than Bush did.

Yea Bush was just a trash president. He is a nice guy but he was 100% a garbage president.

[Scoots]

It be a lot closer. But we still don't know the full effect of the divisiveness that he caused. We won't really know the full hit for another few decades probably.

It depends to some extent how the people now in power and how the media choose to move on. If they keep pointing at Trump as a tool of divisiveness it will linger longer.

[Crovash]

It's honestly not close. And Bush was never the worst president. Not even close TBH.

People don't realize that America is full of 75% **** presidents and then a few that had to fix everything. Bushes biggest downfalls were what? Continuing the agenda started by Regan? Big economic hit. He was bad sure.

But was he as corrupt as Harding? Did he cause as much conflict as Pierce? Did he try to undermine Lincolns work like Johnson? Was he as dumb and useless as Buchanon? No. Not even close.

The Civil war in itself took a string of inept/dumb/corrupt/horrible politicians that made Bush look like a godsend. If these guys had twitter they'd probably be worse than Trump lol. I really can't see an argument for Bush being worse than any of these guys. Trump on the other hand...

You moved the goalposts here. The original poster was comparing Trump and Bush. The furthest back anyone went was “in my lifetime.”

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Trump is the worst president.






Bush just did what 'Murca would have almost certainly done with just about anyone in charge. Its what we do. Imperialism, power, destabilization, all as American as Apple pie.




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Basically how I feel.

[MRSpock]

You don't know your history. There was WAY more non-stop hate in the past than Bush did.

Yes if we go WAYYY back. But the way it's propagated now really started at Bush. The 2000 election he did nothing but **** on Gore. And he did it even more on Kerry. But for a few decades before that people mostly campaigned on what they were going to do with some criticisms on the opposite side.

Bush Jr. covered up his own ineptitudes by ******** on others so hard, they almost forgot about his. Kerry's military record became in question, and no one talked about Bush's even though he went awol for like a year lol.

[MRSpock]

You moved the goalposts here. The original poster was comparing Trump and Bush. The furthest back anyone went was “in my lifetime.”

I'm 400 years old :P.

[MRSpock]

I don't know. Bush continued a streak of war that was started by Reagan. He was part of the financial collapse that was a culmination of many presidents. He was a bad president. But he gets a lot of blame for problems that started well before he was in office.

Iraq was and is terrible. But this was a GOP plan for decades already. And hell we were all warned, and we shot those people down. Chomsky got destroyed for calling Bush out immediately. A lot of people like to trash politicians that voted yes for that war, but they forget the massive public support it had at first.

Even the dog whistling racism wasn't a bush started thing. He definitely pushed a lot of stereotypes about Muslims, which screws us even to this day. But the GOP figured out long ago it was much easier to start a war when people were already afraid of brown people.

[MRSpock]

The USA is the only country in the world that for the last 4 years have been reversing its trend in carbon emissions. AT a time where we seem to be a couple decades away form massive destruction. 60-80 years away from cataclysm. I don't know what policy Bush passed that knowingly pushed us to the end of humanity fastert.

[Bluefire]

Trump and the previous presidents were by far worse presidents than Bush, who was pretty bad himself. Bad presidents are the norm for United States.

[WES445]

I agree. Unfortunately Trump was just another level of abrasive in playing the same game politicians have been playing and will continue to play. Fear sells and it's not going to change today.

And, while Trump was hugely divisive at least he didn't pass things like the Patriot act and create a whole new wasteful organization like DHS ... in fact, other than talking not stop crap Trump didn't really do much of anything at all.

He took the worst trait of politicians and took it to the max. I am not giving him credit for anything since his negative far out weights his positive. It is like giving credit to Capone for funding soup kitchens during the depression.