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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    So alcoholism, opioid addiction, gamblers and all other addictions shouldn’t be MLB executives?

    I thought the world was becoming more PROGRESSIVE and accepting of known diseases.
    No one ever said that. But do u agree someone who abused his power shouldn't be able to get that position or ones above it ever again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    No one ever said that. But do u agree someone who abused his power shouldn't be able to get that position or ones above it ever again?

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    I’m not sure he abused his power. It’s not like 5 years ago, he was Theo Epstein or some well known exec.

    Mid 30 year old guy, good job, probably very low self esteem, untreated medical issues, afraid to seek help because obviously the world is unaccepting of his problem, he finally finds someone who is showing interest/responding to him and his brain goes into overload not knowing what to do

    I’m not condoning what he did was right, it was wrong to harass the person. I just don’t truly believe he knowingly harassed her or abused his so call power (don’t recall a trade of sex for insider information)

    Unfortunately Jared doesn’t have one of the diseases where we can label him a “hero”. The world doesn’t like his disease because it is “taboo”, so let’s cast that POS off and feed him to the dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    I’m not sure he abused his power. It’s not like 5 years ago, he was Theo Epstein or some well known exec.

    Mid 30 year old guy, good job, probably very low self esteem, untreated medical issues, afraid to seek help because obviously the world is unaccepting of his problem, he finally finds someone who is showing interest/responding to him and his brain goes into overload not knowing what to do

    I’m not condoning what he did was right, it was wrong to harass the person. I just don’t truly believe he knowingly harassed her or abused his so call power (don’t recall a trade of sex for insider information)

    Unfortunately Jared doesn’t have one of the diseases where we can label him a “hero”. The world doesn’t like his disease because it is “taboo”, so let’s cast that POS off and feed him to the dogs
    What disease does he have exactly? I’m not qualified to diagnose him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManningToTyree View Post
    What disease does he have exactly? I’m not qualified to diagnose him.


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    Neither am I, likely something in the Sex Addiction realm

    But we also didn’t know Dom had sleep apnea and everyone aside from a few couldn’t wait to trade him for a bag of used balls and called him “fat and lazy”...this time it’s “creepy/loser/pervert”

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    My issue with this situation is that the Cubs were made aware of this and did nothing in regards to this. And that ESPN was aware of this story since 2017 and chose to do nothing. This is a potential sexual predator that 2 organizations decided to either dismiss it and the other kept under wraps for their own potential gain.

    How many other women were put at risk because they chose to do nothing? The Cubs need to provide a hostile free work environment and ESPN, as a news organization, has the right to report the news. News organizations are the eyes and ears of this country. They chose not to report it, but they should have. Or they should have gone forth to MLB and say there is an issue with an executive with one of the clubs. ESPN has no moral compass.

    Passan praised the hiring and is now going hard at the Mets to cover this up as they sat on this story for years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    My issue with this situation is that the Cubs were made aware of this and did nothing in regards to this. And that ESPN was aware of this story since 2017 and chose to do nothing. This is a potential sexual predator that 2 organizations decided to either dismiss it and the other kept under wraps for their own potential gain.

    How many other women were put at risk because they chose to do nothing? The Cubs need to provide a hostile free work environment and ESPN, as a news organization, has the right to report the news. News organizations are the eyes and ears of this country. They chose not to report it, but they should have. Or they should have gone forth to MLB and say there is an issue with an executive with one of the clubs. ESPN has no moral compass.

    Passan praised the hiring and is now going hard at the Mets to cover this up as they sat on this story for years.
    The Cubs being aware of this, I agree they should be punished or at least have done some punishing.

    As Passan said yesterday - the story comes out when the victim is ready to tell it. She (the victim) decided to tell Mina Himes who then recruited to help Jeff Passan - who started ESPN in 2019, giving credence to the fact that he was only recently made aware. Porter was GM for 37 days, the story came pretty quickly into his tenure...the victim probably spoke up soon after and they had to carefully piece the story together over the course of the month.

    You seem to be letting Carlton get into your head. He was right about one thing - the only issue with the story being told is that Jeff Passan is getting most of the credit when it was really Mina Himes’s story.

    Either Himes approached the victim and said “listen, this guy is in power and I think your story could make a difference” or the victim approached Himes and said “I can’t believe Porter got a GM job, I think we should publish the story so this doesn’t happen to anybody else”

    Either way, it was up to the victim to determine when the story is released. If there’s anybody who’s to blame outside of Porter, it would be the Cubs and their employee for negligence, maybe Dbacks too. That’s about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    The Cubs being aware of this, I agree they should be punished or at least have done some punishing.

    As Passan said yesterday - the story comes out when the victim is ready to tell it. She (the victim) decided to tell Mina Himes who then recruited to help Jeff Passan - who started ESPN in 2019, giving credence to the fact that he was only recently made aware. Porter was GM for 37 days, the story came pretty quickly into his tenure...the victim probably spoke up soon after and they had to carefully piece the story together over the course of the month.

    You seem to be letting Carlton get into your head. He was right about one thing - the only issue with the story being told is that Jeff Passan is getting most of the credit when it was really Mina Himes’s story.

    Either Himes approached the victim and said “listen, this guy is in power and I think your story could make a difference” or the victim approached Himes and said “I can’t believe Porter got a GM job, I think we should publish the story so this doesn’t happen to anybody else”

    Either way, it was up to the victim to determine when the story is released. If there’s anybody who’s to blame outside of Porter, it would be the Cubs and their employee for negligence, maybe Dbacks too. That’s about it.


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    That's strictly conjecture on your part.

    ESPN and the Cubs knew about this for years, and did nothing about it. They didn't investigate this story, they weren't being journalist or a responsible employer. They were being lazy. I hope no one else was harassed or worse because of both of their negligence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    That's strictly conjecture on your part.

    ESPN and the Cubs knew about this for years, and did nothing about it. They didn't investigate this story, they weren't being journalist or a responsible employer. They were being lazy. I hope no one else was harassed or worse because of both of their negligence.
    I don't mean to butt in. Conjecture yes. But just to be fair, it is reportedly true that the victim in all this initially did not want the story published and that is the reason ESPN sat on it. Whether that is a good thing with Integrity or Morals, is up for debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wdwyer View Post
    I don't mean to butt in. Conjecture yes. But just to be fair, it is reportedly true that the victim in all this did not want the story published and that is the reason ESPN sat on it. Whether that is a good thing or not, is up for debate.
    But ESPN could have investigated the story without needing her approval to do so. They chose not to. I would usually say Bernstein & Woodward would be disappointed, but after Woodward's Coronavirus book fiasco, I can no longer say that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    My issue with this situation is that the Cubs were made aware of this and did nothing in regards to this. And that ESPN was aware of this story since 2017 and chose to do nothing. This is a potential sexual predator that 2 organizations decided to either dismiss it and the other kept under wraps for their own potential gain.

    How many other women were put at risk because they chose to do nothing? The Cubs need to provide a hostile free work environment and ESPN, as a news organization, has the right to report the news. News organizations are the eyes and ears of this country. They chose not to report it, but they should have. Or they should have gone forth to MLB and say there is an issue with an executive with one of the clubs. ESPN has no moral compass.

    Passan praised the hiring and is now going hard at the Mets to cover this up as they sat on this story for years.
    I did not hear this, incredibly irresponsible if true. The real criminals here are the Cubs for not getting Porter help and ESPN for using the information only when it garnered a front page story

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdwyer View Post
    I don't mean to butt in. Conjecture yes. But just to be fair, it is reportedly true that the victim in all this initially did not want the story published and that is the reason ESPN sat on it. Whether that is a good thing with Integrity or Morals, is up for debate.
    Could have easily wrote the article with no names
    Mannish could have wrote it for them, all we ever see are “team sources”

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    I call ******** on the notion that the media’s hands were tied by the woman not wanting to tell the story. The same reporters who can behind the scenes gather info from anonymous sources within organizations couldn’t provide info anonymously to these organizations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiley6 View Post
    I call ******** on the notion that the media’s hands were tied by the woman not wanting to tell the story. The same reporters who can behind the scenes gather info from anonymous sources within organizations couldn’t provide info anonymously to these organizations?
    Exactly, Porter was an unknown. It would have been a waste of an article in their eyes
    That’s why I call BS on Porter “using his power”. He was simply a mentally challenged untreated individual that sexually harassed a woman **HE** believed had interest in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    No one ever said that. But do u agree someone who abused his power shouldn't be able to get that position or ones above it ever again?

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    What's the difference? Someone who has abused alcohol may abuse it again. By this logic, they should never again be allowed anywhere near it.

    Look, it's going to be very difficult for Jared Porter to get a high-profile, media- or public-facing MLB job again. So this is all pretty much academic. I'm just saying that I wouldn't condemn a person *forever* because they did something stupid.

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    Jared Porter is what is wrong with the way some men think. Personally, I blame so much of this on our addiction to porn. We have so easily accepted this into our society as "Normal" that so many are almost incapable of treating women with the respect they deserve. It does not matter what a woman looks like, what matters is that we treat all women with the same respect we want others to treat the women in our lives. Guys like Jared Porter just assume that they can have whatever they want and that needs to go away in our society.
    Think about this...Both Men who ran for President of this country had viable sexual misconduct accusations right there in the open, and we as a nation literally turned a blind eye towards our candidate because we just wanted to win. That is where we are right now. And we expect more from a Baseball GM? We need to expect more from everyone.

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