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  1. #8731
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    Simple speculation on your part yet again? They left their post without being properly relieved. When they walked away from their post, there was no immediate danger. They should have waited until the "better armed" officers were in place.
    When did Ms Babbitt attempt to breech the window? Where were the officers when she made the attempt?
    You can sit there and speculate all you want, but no attempt to breech the window happened until the officers simply walked away from their posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    Get out of the way when other, more heavily armed police were arriving on the other side.

    Which you'd know if you'd ever watched the video I've linked you to multiple times.
    Where were the other, more heavily armed officers when, Ms Babbitt attempted to breech the window?
    They were not in place. If you are saying that the 3 officers left because they might be in the line of fire, Lt Byrd put officers in jeopardy when he fired a shot at Ms Babbitt. What would have happened had he missed? The round could have hit one of his fellow officers.
    Before this escalates further, remember that I place the blame for Ms Babbitt's death squarely on her shoulders. She was in commission of a criminal act when she was killed, and did not obey the instructions of the officers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    I bring up the officers walking away from their post because no attempt to breech the window happened until they did. Had they remained in place, it is likely that none would have happened at all.
    You really believe that? You really think that the mob trampled and smashed their way into the building, went into whatever room they wanted, and 4 or 5 officers at a door were going to make them just give up there?

    C'mon......
    Last edited by nyyfan555; 11-30-2022 at 07:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Simple speculation on your part yet again? They left their post without being properly relieved. When they walked away from their post, there was no immediate danger. They should have waited until the "better armed" officers were in place.
    When did Ms Babbitt attempt to breech the window? Where were the officers when she made the attempt?
    You can sit there and speculate all you want, but no attempt to breech the window happened until the officers simply walked away from their posts.
    First bold: what you've done is speculate. Nate is at least providing some photo/video evidence.

    Second bold: in an earlier post you said you're not an officer. How do you know it was improper or some type of break in protocol?

    Third bold: it doesn't matter. She should have never done any of the terrorists activities she engaged in. It's all on her. Officers leaving didn't cause her to do anything. She was coerced by liars to engage in a seditious and violent act from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Simple speculation on your part yet again? They left their post without being properly relieved. When they walked away from their post, there was no immediate danger. They should have waited until the "better armed" officers were in place.
    When did Ms Babbitt attempt to breech the window? Where were the officers when she made the attempt?
    You can sit there and speculate all you want, but no attempt to breech the window happened until the officers simply walked away from their posts.
    She attempted to breech the window when she breeched the window lol. She entered prohibited space. What are you not seeing there? You had a man made barricade, cops in front of the barricaded doors, and at least one armed officer holding his gun in a position ready to shoot. People yelling out "He has a gun" including a witness at the scene who said she didn't heed multiple warnings from said officers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCuI..._channel=WUSA9
    Last edited by metswon69; 11-30-2022 at 07:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    I'm not trained to be a police officer. The officer had a taser, I would assume. Perhaps he should have used it first and then had it not stopped her, used lethal force.
    The question remains, however -- Why did the 3 officers simply walk away from their post?
    Colour me shocked. You're not your town's volunteer deputy sheriff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Simple speculation on your part yet again? They left their post without being properly relieved. When they walked away from their post, there was no immediate danger. They should have waited until the "better armed" officers were in place.
    When did Ms Babbitt attempt to breech the window? Where were the officers when she made the attempt?
    You can sit there and speculate all you want, but no attempt to breech the window happened until the officers simply walked away from their posts.
    It's not speculation. I literally just gave you the screenshots. Feel free to go look at the video yourself and confirm it. You won't, of course, because you never actually look at anything, but it's all there. This is just you ignoring what's right in front of you so you can keep repeating the same debunked lies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Where were the other, more heavily armed officers when, Ms Babbitt attempted to breech the window?
    They were not in place. If you are saying that the 3 officers left because they might be in the line of fire, Lt Byrd put officers in jeopardy when he fired a shot at Ms Babbitt. What would have happened had he missed? The round could have hit one of his fellow officers.
    Before this escalates further, remember that I place the blame for Ms Babbitt's death squarely on her shoulders. She was in commission of a criminal act when she was killed, and did not obey the instructions of the officers.
    Why are you asking questions I've already given you the answer to? They were coming up behind the crowd, as you've been shown repeatedly.

    So now you're concerned about police being in the line of fire?


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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Simple speculation on your part yet again? They left their post without being properly relieved. When they walked away from their post, there was no immediate danger. They should have waited until the "better armed" officers were in place.
    When did Ms Babbitt attempt to breech the window? Where were the officers when she made the attempt?
    You can sit there and speculate all you want, but no attempt to breech the window happened until the officers simply walked away from their posts.
    Correlation does not imply causation, you stubborn old fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    Colour me shocked. You're not your town's volunteer deputy sheriff?

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    Right there with ya, bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfan555 View Post
    First bold: what you've done is speculate. Nate is at least providing some photo/video evidence.

    Second bold: in an earlier post you said you're not an officer. How do you know it was improper or some type of break in protocol?

    Third bold: it doesn't matter. She should have never done any of the terrorists activities she engaged in. It's all on her. Officers leaving didn't cause her to do anything. She was coerced by liars to engage in a seditious and violent act from the beginning.
    My speculation is based on his video evidence. See the time between when the officers simply walk away from the doors to the time when Ms Babbitt breeches the window. No attempt was made prior to the abandonment.
    Military protocols and police protocols are similar. My brother is a sheriff in Oregon and was a Major in the army. I was in the army 45 years ago and I'm sure the general orders have not changed appreciably.
    I agree that she should not have participated in the activities, hence my statement that she was responsible for her own death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    Why are you asking questions I've already given you the answer to? They were coming up behind the crowd, as you've been shown repeatedly.

    So now you're concerned about police being in the line of fire?
    You have answered neither of the questions, nate. You are the one that brought up the officers being in the line of fire in your speculation and now you are not concerned about it?
    Shown repeatedly? Proper military protocol is to wait at your post until you are properly relieved. Police protocols are similar. You do not simply walk away from your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    She attempted to breech the window when she breeched the window lol. She entered prohibited space. What are you not seeing there? You had a man made barricade, cops in front of the barricaded doors, and at least one armed officer holding his gun in a position ready to shoot. People yelling out "He has a gun" including a witness at the scene who said she didn't heed multiple warnings from said officers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCuI..._channel=WUSA9
    Hence my statement that she was responsible for her own death. Not sure how you misunderstand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Hence my statement that she was responsible for her own death. Not sure how you misunderstand that.
    Even if you want to suggest that protocol wasn't adhered to, that would assume you know the juxtaposition of events that led to them not being there. Something we don't know except from what we see in the photos and video. Something that clearly showed Babbitt made decisions that put her life in danger.

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