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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Tell me more about Antifa and how there’s no white privilege when peaceful BLM protestors get tear gassed while MAGAts get away with this:




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    We spend 738 billion on defense in 2020 and the Capitol Building was taken in 10 minutes by Duck Dynasty and a guy in a deerskin bikini. What does that tell you? THEY WERE LET IN!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GasMan View Post
    It’s not just FNK, he’s just a symptom of the problem. We have no idea about how to have political discussions because what we see is mostly dysfunctional and closer to sports commentary. It’s all about why the other team sucks and why our team’s flaws aren’t really that bad and the other team is just as flawed anyways, blah, blah. Even if you disagree with your team what can you do since your only other option is to join your enemy which undermines the moral high ground of your team, blah, blah. These discussion all become about tallying points to see which team sucks less. FNK won’t engage in discussion that he can’t what-about or turn into a semantics stale mate. It’s not a discussion it’s trying to play to a draw because he doesn’t care about thinking through problems he just doesn’t want to be a loser.
    The "team game" thing is, I think, in large part a direct result of the commercialization and propagation of "news sources". When the money comes from advertising the objective is entirely getting more eyes on the product to the detriment of the product itself. Moment to moment metrics show in sports that "hot takes" even absurd ones drive attention, and that has taken over the "news" as well, and it's an easy tactic to push the "team game" likewise drive consumer attention to the exclusion of everything else. As that gets more and more polarized the result is each "team" holds the other "team" in contempt, and there is no redemption for a group once they are held in contempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Wait until people find out that the only relevant standard for impeachment and conviction for impeachment is whatever the House and Senate members believe that it is. There is no burden of proof and the decision is entirely political. A senator can vote no and say that the reason they are voting no is because they are the same party as the impeached official.
    The last few years has taught a lot of people about how many things were tradition and not law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    The last few years has taught a lot of people about how many things were tradition and not law.
    This is very true. In a system that is primarily built to function on mutual respect, someone coming in who has absolutely no respect can do a whole lot of damage. We should be looking to codify a lot of the stuff we took for granted. It's what Carter did after Nixon. Most of the successful reforms came out of Carter's presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    This is very true. In a system that is primarily built to function on mutual respect, someone coming in who has absolutely no respect can do a whole lot of damage. We should be looking to codify a lot of the stuff we took for granted. It's what Carter did after Nixon. Most of the successful reforms came out of Carter's presidency.
    It's been lacking the mutual respect for a long time, I think the thing keeping people in line was the possible negative public perception, then along came someone who preferred the public talking about him regardless of the tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    The "team game" thing is, I think, in large part a direct result of the commercialization and propagation of "news sources". When the money comes from advertising the objective is entirely getting more eyes on the product to the detriment of the product itself. Moment to moment metrics show in sports that "hot takes" even absurd ones drive attention, and that has taken over the "news" as well, and it's an easy tactic to push the "team game" likewise drive consumer attention to the exclusion of everything else. As that gets more and more polarized the result is each "team" holds the other "team" in contempt, and there is no redemption for a group once they are held in contempt.
    The media plays off of it but they are not the cause, they just capatalize on the extremes as we have talked about. They have shifted over the years to keep a base, it wouldn't help them to become so extreme without followers if the "fans" weren't already there. You have it right with wanting attention but consistently bringing attention that no one agrees with goes no where, you need to have a base of people ready for that messaging they are playing into (just like sports teams and players have their fans who react to the crazy takes).

    The contempt from the teams started long ago and it is related to actual politicians. Look at Mcconnell who has been one of the main figures of power in the party outside of Trump for a while. If you want to go further back, even before Fox News we had Newt Gingrich pushing the same type of ideas of labeling the other party as ______ and attacking. The politicians have been pushing this for a very long time and they feed off the fact that since it is two teams the "other side" will have something to point at to but what about or both sides to excuse them going further and further down the drain. It has certainly become team games with "both sides" and there is not getting around that which allows them to continue to blame the other side for their own ridiculous actions over and over (see special posting thread to thread with disingenuous "look a dem did something bad once too"). It's both a reality and a fuel to the teams at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    The media plays off of it but they are not the cause, they just capatalize on the extremes as we have talked about. They have shifted over the years to keep a base, it wouldn't help them to become so extreme without followers if the "fans" weren't already there. You have it right with wanting attention but consistently bringing attention that no one agrees with goes no where, you need to have a base of people ready for that messaging they are playing into (just like sports teams and players have their fans who react to the crazy takes).

    The contempt from the teams started long ago and it is related to actual politicians. Look at Mcconnell who has been one of the main figures of power in the party outside of Trump for a while. If you want to go further back, even before Fox News we had Newt Gingrich pushing the same type of ideas of labeling the other party as ______ and attacking. The politicians have been pushing this for a very long time and they feed off the fact that since it is two teams the "other side" will have something to point at to but what about or both sides to excuse them going further and further down the drain. It has certainly become team games with "both sides" and there is not getting around that which allows them to continue to blame the other side for their own ridiculous actions over and over (see special posting thread to thread with disingenuous "look a dem did something bad once too"). It's both a reality and a fuel to the teams at this point.
    Sure, without consumers there is no product, but fundamental human psychology makes it easy to predict that audience will always be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Sure, without consumers there is no product, but fundamental human psychology makes it easy to predict that audience will always be there.
    Well you seemed to me to be saying the team game came from media? I am saying it was already there media is just playing on how divisive the politicians keep becoming and helping to fuel it because the "teams" have their fan bases that will tune in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Well you seemed to me to be saying the team game came from media? I am saying it was already there media is just playing on how divisive the politicians keep becoming and helping to fuel it because the "teams" have their fan bases that will tune in.
    Yeah, it's circular. Without the media to run with it and reinforce it it wouldn't have grown as strong, and if the media instead was critical of that team game mentality from politicians it would likely have been reduced.

    The people consume crap, the media feeds the people crap to consume, the politicians see that they can get support for the team game and give that to the media to give to the public.

    Chicken meet egg.

    It's like the music that is most popular is seldom the most interesting or the most challenging but instead is the easiest to consume mindlessly and easiest to produce to the formula that works. I don't blame just the people or the labels or the artists ... they are all at fault to some degree.

    I guess if we consider the ratios of people involved there are the fewest at the top so they are the most guilty, followed by the media, then the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    The "team game" thing is, I think, in large part a direct result of the commercialization and propagation of "news sources". When the money comes from advertising the objective is entirely getting more eyes on the product to the detriment of the product itself. Moment to moment metrics show in sports that "hot takes" even absurd ones drive attention, and that has taken over the "news" as well, and it's an easy tactic to push the "team game" likewise drive consumer attention to the exclusion of everything else. As that gets more and more polarized the result is each "team" holds the other "team" in contempt, and there is no redemption for a group once they are held in contempt.
    It’s the news media problem you described happening at the same time as social media, which made information able to travel instantly to millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    It’s the news media problem you described happening at the same time as social media, which made information able to travel instantly to millions.
    True, and the bloggers were exploding before social media became what it is today and that movement was pushing the same thing. It's all connected.

    The massive acceleration of this can be tied to the 1996 telecommunications act and craigslist killing the local newspaper. One by allowing massive consolidation of media and the other by effectively killing overnight the classified ads that were paying for the newspapers to exist (I saw a number when I worked for the Mercury News that 105% of their operating costs came from classified ads).

    Neither of which were the fault of the media of course.

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    I've never heard someone who was allegedly canceled scream so much on TV as Josh Hawley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    I've never heard someone who was allegedly canceled scream so much on TV as Josh Hawley.
    Only senator who has voted against every nominee put up by Biden.

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    Liz Cheney Lays Waste to Donald Trump During Fox Interview

    The day after the Wyoming Republican party voted to censure Congresswoman Liz Cheney over her vote to impeach Trump, Cheney went on Fox News and made it clear that she is not backing down on her criticism of the former president.

    Fox News Sunday host, Chris Wallace, asked the Wyoming representative if she planned to step down after her state’s party voted to censure her. Cheney said she had no such plans and then proceeded to rip former president Trump while explaining her support of impeachment.

    Cheney called out the falsehood that Black Lives Matter or antifa played a part in the insurrection and placed the blame at Trump’s feet.

    “People in the [Republican] party are mistaken. They believe that BLM and Antifa were behind what happened here at the Capitol, that’s just simply not the case. It’s not true. And we’re going to have a lot of work we have to do. People have been lied to,” the congresswoman said.


    Cheney continued, calling Trump a liar.

    “The extent to which the president, President Trump, for months leading up to January 6th, spread the notion that the election had been stolen or that the election was rigged was a lie.”

    Cheney tore into Trump, saying presidents who act like him are the “single greatest threat to our republic.”

    “We will not forget what happened on January 6th. And that the single greatest threat to our republic is a president who would put his own self-interest above the Constitution, above the national interest.”

    The congresswoman said it was Trump who tried to steal the election and that his lies led to the deadly day at the Capitol last month.

    “We’ve had a situation where President Trump claimed for months that the election was stolen and then apparently set about to do everything he could to steal it himself,” Cheney said. “And that ended up in an attack on the Capitol. Five people killed that day. That’s the kind of attack that can never happen again.”

    The Wyoming representative also floated the idea that one of Trump’s tweets sent “while the attack was underway” calling then vice president Mike Pence a coward may have been “a premeditated effort to provoke violence.”

    “The Senate [impeachment] trial is a snapshot. There is a massive criminal investigation underway. There will be a massive criminal investigation of everything that happened on January 6th and in the days before,” Cheney continued, “People will want to know exactly what the president was doing. They will want to know, for example, whether the tweet that he sent out calling Vice President Pence a coward while the attack was underway—whether that tweet, for example, was a premeditated effort to provoke violence… There will be many, many criminal investigations looking at every aspect of this that everyone who was involved, as there should be.”

    Cheney’s called Trump’s actions “an assault” and wrapped things up by saying if the Republicans want to win again they “should not be embracing the former president.”

    “We have never seen that kind of an assault by a president of the United States on another branch of government, and that can never happen again,” Cheney said.
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