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    Quote Originally Posted by ManningToTyree View Post
    Looking at who can create cap for us we do t have much of a choice. Maybe he can have his deal reworked


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    Extending him and restructuring the deal to be more of a SB would help I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyndave View Post
    Agree. Now we would be back in trying to fix our OL . I have been watching football before most of you were born and the key to a really good team is your OL . You don't have to have 5 all stars but you have to play together and know exactly what your fellow lineman are doing on every play.

    It is like a Swiss watch , everything and everybody moves together.
    Yep both lines offensive and defensive are the biggest parts of the game. I do like the way are line is trending. I like Thomas and Peart as our Ts and I like Gates at C. He really improved throughout the year. Hernandez/Shane have shown flashes of being good. I really feel like we should keep zielter and rework his deal. I feel like we keep Williams but let Tomlinson walk. Think gettleman wants to add a WR in fa
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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    Yeah to be clear Iím not a fan of cutting Zeitler but the Giants have to decide where to use their cap space.

    With the cap projected to be as much as $18 million lower than last year a lot of teams are going to have to cut some pretty good players and the market could be flooded with good to very good talent.

    Without cutting Zeitler the Giants can cut Solder, Tate, Toilolo and Mayo, and trade Engram, and still get to just under $30 million in space.

    With Jones entering year 3 and Barkley year 4, this team needs to become a legitimate 10 win, playoff team or this experiment could be over in a hurry. DG needs to hit a homerun in FA and the draft this year.
    Rework his contract extend him. You can easily save like 7 mill off his salary that way. I donít think we trade engram. We can get to like 35 mill in cap with the right restructures and cuts. Bring back Leonard Williams, add golladay and draft well weíll be right near that 10 win mark imo
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    If we got Williams back and brought in golladay. Bring back Lorenzo Carter on a team friendly deal we can focus on edge rusher ILB CB and maybe add another WR in the draft. I donít think weíre that far off from being a 10 win team
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    This offense needs a legitimate playmaking WR1. It needs an edge rusher that can feast off the havoc our interior DL can create.

    We donít need Engram. Heís neither a real TE nor a playmaker you can rely on. Jones needs a reliable target over the middle that doesnít drop passes.

    I donít care how much talent Engram has. Heís an offensive misfit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    This offense needs a legitimate playmaking WR1. It needs an edge rusher that can feast off the havoc our interior DL can create.

    We donít need Engram. Heís neither a real TE nor a playmaker you can rely on. Jones needs a reliable target over the middle that doesnít drop passes.

    I donít care how much talent Engram has. Heís an offensive misfit.


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    Trading engram is fine if we get some kind of value. If we trade him for a 5th or whatever thag would be really dumb. We need to grab golladay an edge rusher in the draft. We need to keep Williams/Tomlinson somehow too. Itís gonna be really really tough because of the goddamn cap going down but it may be possible. I think zielter will be open to a restructured deal opening up some cap, and a few cuts could give us a shot. Part of me is hoping chase or Smith drops to 11 but we need that edge rusher as much as a WR and I think itís easier to find a WR in fa than an edge rusher
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    How many years are we going to sit and pray Engram becomes something he flat out is not?

    Any draft pick, 5th round or better, we would get for him plus the cap space is worth more than this guy in terms of value to the 2021 team and beyond.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    How many years are we going to sit and pray Engram becomes something he flat out is not?

    Any draft pick, 5th round or better, we would get for him plus the cap space is worth more than this guy in terms of value to the 2021 team and beyond.


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    Disagree. 5th rounder is nothing. Shot in the dark pick. He isnít god awful. He can still be useful especially if we get a #1 WR and a healthy saquon. He needs to stop running those little bs check down routes he sucks at those. Spread him out and let him use his speed.
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    Per source, former Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty will return to the organization this year, joining Joe Judge's staff in an advisory role, helping out with the offensive linemen among other duties. Flaherty was on Tom Coughlin's Giants staff from 2004-15.


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    He is talking about the one and only, pure trash: Ereck Flowers

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    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Sounds like Giants are releasing WR Golden Tate.

    Slide shep back into the slot full time where is he really much better suited.

    Get an outside deep threat in FA or the Draft.

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    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    LB David Mayo also being released.

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    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Savings based on who gets cut, if cut.

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    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Hearing Giants trying to move G Kevin Zeitler and Jags trying to move G Andrew Norwell but not likely, given their salary. Other teams anticipate them being released, when they would generate significant interest

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    He is talking about the one and only, pure trash: Ereck Flowers

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    So basically weíre gonna end up cutting zielter which is not great. Hopefully Hernandez is more like rookie Hernandez than this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxplayerxx23 View Post
    So basically weíre gonna end up cutting zielter which is not great. Hopefully Hernandez is more like rookie Hernandez than this year.
    I wouldíve liked him to take a pay cut or restructure as well, but perhaps they couldnít come to an agreement. Either way I do understand that in the situation weíre in, we canít pay a G 14 mil per. We can pick up a guy thatís solid for way less to replace him.

    On the latter, I wonder whether this opens up the possibility for a OL with our first pick. Havenít watched him yet, but the reviews of Slater (OT) are tremendous. Move peart to G (where some predicted he would be better anyways) and we might be working towards something
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