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  1. #781
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    Quote Originally Posted by raiderizer View Post
    Starters 2nd 3rd
    LDE Melvin ingram Takk m. Dion j.
    LDT Christian baremore. David i. Maurice h.
    RDT Daron payne Niles s.
    RDE Maxx crosby Clelin f. Chris s.
    WLB Corey littleton
    MLB Nick kwiatoski
    SLB Tanner muse
    LCB Trayvon mullen
    FS Malik hooker
    SS Johnathan abram
    RCB Richard sherman

    🔥 🔥 🔥
    I almost puked when I saw muse at lb.

    only one rookie as a starter?

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    I would do this.

    Qb- dc, Cooper
    RB- Jacobs, booker, Teague
    Fb- ingold
    OT- Miller, Villanueva!!!!, Munford, Parker
    OG- Wyatt Davis(possible pro bowler for many years.), Gabe, Simpson
    C- Hudson
    Te- Waller, foster
    Wr- agholor, ruggs, Edwards and renfrow, Rambo

    De- cle, Crosby, takk, Koonce(Buffalo)
    Dt- Barmore, Hurst, Irving, Tonga(byu)
    Lb- Kwaitkoski, Littleton, Baron Browning(beast)
    Cb- Mullen, Arnette, Sherman, st-juste
    S- abram, Marcus Williams!!!!!

    Draft picks
    1-Barmore
    2-Wyatt Davis(could drop to second. Lots of qbs and wrs jumping into the first).
    3-Browning
    4-Koonce
    5-st-juste
    6-master Teague
    7-Tonga(a young Hankins at a bargain) probably the strongest guy in this draft with a top bullrush.

    Udfa
    Qb cooper Jacksonville state
    Wr Rambo Oklahoma
    Ot Munford osu
    Last edited by Megatron; 02-20-2021 at 12:03 PM.

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    Why hasn't Trent Brown been shown the door yet? Get this cancer outta here ASAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderMackin View Post
    Why hasn't Trent Brown been shown the door yet? Get this cancer outta here ASAP!
    They're trying to trade him, IMO.

    Tom Cable is a good coach. You don't need a Trent Brown if you have a good system / scheme and some leadership, which Vegas has in both Hudson and Miller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatron View Post
    I would do this.

    Qb- dc, Cooper
    RB- Jacobs, booker, Teague
    Fb- ingold
    OT- Miller, Villanueva!!!!, Munford, Parker
    OG- Wyatt Davis(possible pro bowler for many years.), Gabe, Simpson
    C- Hudson
    Te- Waller, foster
    Wr- agholor, ruggs, Edwards and renfrow, Rambo

    De- cle, Crosby, takk, Koonce(Buffalo)
    Dt- Barmore, Hurst, Irving, Tonga(byu)
    Lb- Kwaitkoski, Littleton, Baron Browning(beast)
    Cb- Mullen, Arnette, Sherman, st-juste
    S- abram, Marcus Williams!!!!!

    Draft picks
    1-Barmore
    2-Wyatt Davis(could drop to second. Lots of qbs and wrs jumping into the first).
    3-Browning
    4-Koonce
    5-st-juste
    6-master Teague
    7-Tonga(a young Hankins at a bargain) probably the strongest guy in this draft with a top bullrush.

    Udfa
    Qb cooper Jacksonville state
    Wr Rambo Oklahoma
    Ot Munford osu
    So you wouldn't even try to upgrade the defensive end position? Pass,we shouldn't put all our faith in ferrell.

    Also,no way in hell wyatt davis falls to our 2nd pick lol.Why do you want some old 33 year old tackle thats gonna demand top dollar?

    Spending lots of money on marcus williams is a recipe for disaster especially with that d line.
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    Pick #24 deandre baker cornerback georgia
    Pick #27 noah fant tight end iowa
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    Quote Originally Posted by raiderizer View Post
    So you wouldn't even try to upgrade the defensive end position? Pass,we shouldn't put all our faith in ferrell.

    Also,no way in hell wyatt davis falls to our 2nd pick lol.Why do you want some old 33 year old tackle thats gonna demand top dollar?

    Spending lots of money on marcus williams is a recipe for disaster especially with that d line.
    D line will be upgraded with barmore, Ferrell stepping up, Irving with an offseason, good passrusher in koonce, Tonga as a runstuffer.

    Is Ingram an upgrade at de? How many sacks did he have last year? 0. Hes gonna be 32 and he had 7 sacks 2 years ago. Hes not getting better. Hes getting worse. More injury prone. No upside. He had 10 sacks before. When he was in his 20s. Ferrell and koonce have a future to get better.

    Villanueva is a proven good ot. Hes not going to be here long term. Hes better than whats out there and wont break the bank. Draft an ot high next year when the talent will be better.

    Marcus Williams is a great fs and the saints are over the cap by 90 mil

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    Unless we get an absolute king's ransom for Mariota, there's no way I trade him to the Patriots. Eff those guys...Let them suffer!!!
    "We don't take what the defense gives us; we take whatever the hell we want." - Al Davis

    ONE NATION, DOMINATION, RAIDER NATION!

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    I can't see us getting anything higher then a 3rd round pick for MM and I think if we did that is amazing... Reality though we end up with a 5th at best

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    Everyone wants TJ but I kinda like Ryan Kerrigan for a veteran to add to the DE, Baremore and Leonard Williams on the DL..Marcus Williams for our safety and ill say the D should be improved talent wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatron View Post
    D line will be upgraded with barmore, Ferrell stepping up, Irving with an offseason, good passrusher in koonce, Tonga as a runstuffer.

    Is Ingram an upgrade at de? How many sacks did he have last year? 0. Hes gonna be 32 and he had 7 sacks 2 years ago. Hes not getting better. Hes getting worse. More injury prone. No upside. He had 10 sacks before. When he was in his 20s. Ferrell and koonce have a future to get better.

    Villanueva is a proven good ot. Hes not going to be here long term. Hes better than whats out there and wont break the bank. Draft an ot high next year when the talent will be better.

    Marcus Williams is a great fs and the saints are over the cap by 90 mil
    We don't know if ferrell will take a big step so by default you do what's best for the team and try and upgrade the position and luckily there's lots of upgrades in free agency.

    Tier 1 players
    Von miller
    Shaquil barrett
    Leonard williams

    Tier 2 players
    Trey hendrickson
    Melvin Ingram
    Yannick ngakoue
    Ryan kerrigan
    Matt judon
    Justin houston
    Denico autry

    Tier 3 is just depth and anyone thats tier 1 or 2 would be upgrades over ferrell.

    Marcus williams plays in a saints team with a good passrush,he'd get eaten alive with us.Safety is important but paying 13-15 million for a safety is a fail in my opinion.
    2019 NFL MOCK DRAFT!!!
    Pick #4 Josh allen edge rusher kentucky
    Pick #24 deandre baker cornerback georgia
    Pick #27 noah fant tight end iowa
    Pick #35 mack wilson ilb alabama





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    Raiders 2021 Offeseason Discussion: Free Agency, Coaching Staff, Cuts, Etc

    Here is my attempt at a mock off-season for the Raiders.
    Current cap space according to Sportrac (based on a 185 million cap) is -13.6 million.
    Cuts:
    -RT Trent Brown: 14 million in cap savings.
    -WR Tyrell Williams: 11.6 million in cap savings.
    -CB Lamarcus Joyner: 8.7 million in cap savings.
    -RG Richie Incognito: 5.4 million in cap savings.
    -RB Jalen Richard: 3.5 million in cap space savings.
    -S Jeff Heath: 3.1 million in cap space savings.
    -DE Carl Nassib: 3.7 million in cap space savings.

    Restructures:

    -QB Derek Carr: Converts his base salary into a signing bonus saving 9.2 million.
    -G Gabe Jackson: Converts his base salary into a signing bonus saving 4.1 million.

    Raiders cap space after cuts/restructures: 49.8 million

    Trades:
    -QB Marcus Mariotta to Philadelphia for DE Brandon Graham.
    (This move costs us 2.2 million in cap space but we land a difference maker at the DE position. Makes
    sense for Philly as they just traded Wentz, save cap space, and get a veteran to help in Hurts
    development.)

    Raiders cap space after cuts, restructures, and trades: 47..6 million

    Free agency:
    -DT Leonard Williams: 4 years, 80 million
    -CB Richard Sherman: 1 year, 5 million
    -FS Tre Boston: 1 year, 3 million
    -WR Corey Davis: 2 years, 16 million
    -DT Jonathan Hankins: 1 year, 3 million
    -RB Devontae Booker: 1 year, 2 million
    -K Daniel Carlson: 1 year, 1.5 million
    -LS Trent Sieg: 1 year, 1 million
    -WR Zay Jones: 1 year, 1.5 million
    -MLB Raekwon McMillan: 1 year, 2 million

    Cap space after free agency: 1 million

    Draft:
    -Raiders trade the 17th overall pick to the Steelers for the 24th overall pick and the 87th overall pick.
    (Raiders now own the 24th pick(1), 48th pick(2), 80th pick(3), 87th pick(3), 116th pick (4), 151st pick(5),
    and 218th pick(7))

    -1st round, 24th overall: Zaven Collins OLB, Tulsa
    -2nd round, 48th overall: Jevon Holland S, Oregon
    -3rd round, 80th overall: Walker Little, OT Stanford
    -3rd round, 87th overall: Demetric Felton, RB/WR UCLA
    -4th round, 116th overall: Trill Williams, CB Syracuse
    -5th round, 115th overall: Rico Bussey, WR Hawaii
    -7th round, 218th overall: Nick Eubanks, TE Michigan

    Your 2021 Las Vegas Raiders:

    QB: Carr/Peterman/Sloter
    RB: Jacobs/Booker/Felton
    FB: Ingold
    WR1: Ruggs/Bussey/Jones
    WR2: Davis/Edwards
    Slot: Renfrow
    TE: Waller/Moreau/Eubanks
    LT: Miller/Jones-Smith
    LG: Jackson/Cotton
    C: Hudson/James
    RG: Simpson/Magnunson
    RT: Little/Parker
    DE: Graham/Crosby
    DT: Williams/Irving
    DT: Hankins/Hurst
    DE: Ferrell/Key
    OLB: Littleton/Muse
    MLB: Kwiatkowski/McMillan
    OLB: Collins/White
    CB1: Mullen/Johnson
    CB2: Sherman/Williams/Nixon
    Slot Corner: Arnette/Robertson
    FS: Boston/Holland
    SS: Abram/Gaulden
    K: Carlson
    P: Cole
    LS: Sieg
    Last edited by KobeOwnSU; 02-20-2021 at 08:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU View Post
    Here is my attempt at a mock off-season for the Raiders.
    Current cap space according to Sportrac (based on a 185 million cap) is -13.6 million.
    Cuts:
    - RT Trent Brown: 14 million in cap savings.
    - WR Tyrell Williams: 11.6 million in cap savings.
    - CB Lamarcus Joyner: 8.7 million in cap savings.
    - RG Richie Incognito: 5.4 million in cap savings.
    - RB Jalen Richard: 3.5 million in cap space savings.
    - S Jeff Heath: 3.1 million in cap space savings.
    - DE Carl Nassib: 3.7 million in cap space savings.

    Restructures:

    - QB Derek Carr: Converts his base salary into a signing bonus saving 9.2 million.
    - G Gabe Jackson: Converts his base salary into a signing bonus saving 4.1 million.

    Raiders cap space after cuts/restructures: 49.8 million

    Trades:
    - QB Marcus Mariotta to Philadelphia for DE Brandon Graham.
    (This move costs us 2.2 million in cap space but we land a difference maker at the DE position. Makes
    sense for Philly as they just traded Wentz, save cap space, and get a veteran to help in Hurts
    development.)

    Raiders cap space after cuts, restructures, and trades: 47..6 million

    Free agency:
    - DT Leonard Williams: 4 years, 80 million
    - CB Richard Sherman: 1 year, 5 million
    - FS Tre Boston: 1 year, 3 million
    - WR Corey Davis: 2 years, 16 million
    - DT Jonathan Hankins: 1 year, 3 million
    - RB Devontae Booker: 1 year, 2 million
    - K Daniel Carlson: 1 year, 1.5 million
    - LS Trent Sieg: 1 year, 1 million
    - WR Zay Jones: 1 year, 1.5 million
    - MLB Raekwon McMillan: 1 year, 2 million

    Cap space after free agency: 1 million

    Draft:
    - Raiders trade the 17th overall pick to the Steelers for the 24th overall pick and the 87th overall pick.
    (Raiders now own the 24th pick(1), 48th pick(2), 80th pick(3), 87th pick(3), 116th pick (4), 151st pick(5),
    and 218th pick(7))

    - 1st round, 24th overall: Zaven Collins OLB, Tulsa
    - 2nd round, 48th overall: Jevon Holland S, Oregon
    - 3rd round, 80th overall: Walker Little, OT Stanford
    - 3rd round, 87th overall: Demetric Felton, RB/WR UCLA
    - 4th round, 116th overall: Trill Williams, CB Syracuse
    - 5th round, 115th overall: Rico Bussey, WR Hawaii
    - 7th round, 218th overall: Nick Eubanks, TE Michigan

    Your 2021 Las Vegas Raiders:

    QB: Carr/Peterman/Sloter
    RB: Jacobs/Booker/Felton
    FB: Ingold
    WR1: Ruggs/Bussey/Jones
    WR2: Davis/Edwards
    Slot: Renfrow
    TE: Waller/Moreau/Eubanks
    LT: Miller/Jones-Smith
    LG: Jackson/Cotton
    C: Hudson/James
    RG: Simpson/Magnunson
    RT: Little/Parker
    DE: Graham/Crosby
    DT: Williams/Irving
    DT: Hankins/Hurst
    DE: Ferrell/Key
    OLB: Littleton/Muse
    MLB: Kwiatkowski/McMillan
    OLB: Smith/White
    CB1: Mullen/Johnson
    CB2: Sherman/Williams/Nixon
    Slot Corner: Arnette/Robertson
    FS: Boston/Holland
    SS: Abram/Gaulden
    K: Carlson
    P: Cole
    LS: Sieg
    I don't hate what you did though I do have 2 concerns.

    1) You have a second year player and a rookie as your starting right side of the offensive line. I would use more resources to beef this area up.

    2) You spend a first round pick on Zaven Collins and then he doesn't even make the roster. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MackAttack88 View Post
    I don't hate what you did though I do have 2 concerns.

    1) You have a second year player and a rookie as your starting right side of the offensive line. I would use more resources to beef this area up.

    2) You spend a first round pick on Zaven Collins and then he doesn't even make the roster. LOL
    Haha I meant Collins and not Smith [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] but yeah I had to sacrifice somewhere on the offense in order to drastically improve the defense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raiderizer View Post
    We don't know if ferrell will take a big step so by default you do what's best for the team and try and upgrade the position and luckily there's lots of upgrades in free agency.
    I referred to Ferrell as a bust coming into the 2020 season. I was pretty negative towards him as the season went on, with the exception of the KC game in KC -- he was EVERYWHERE in that game.

    I've seen some videos. I read PFF (ranked #16 overall DE in the ENTIRE NFL) I know about his character, commitment, leadership and work ethic.

    Ferrell is one of three defensive players I fully believe in. Don't let that sack number fool you -- he played well in 2020 and he's likely to play even better in 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shred003 View Post
    I referred to Ferrell as a bust coming into the 2020 season. I was pretty negative towards him as the season went on, with the exception of the KC game in KC -- he was EVERYWHERE in that game.

    I've seen some videos. I read PFF (ranked #16 overall DE in the ENTIRE NFL) I know about his character, commitment, leadership and work ethic.

    Ferrell is one of three defensive players I fully believe in. Don't let that sack number fool you -- he played well in 2020 and he's likely to play even better in 2021.
    Ferrell will be one of our starting DEs. Anybody that says different is fooling themselves. He was probably the best defensive player we had last season.


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