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  1. #1
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    Is Kyrie Irving the reason LeBron has a ring as a Cavalier ?

    Letís be real, not having Ky in 2015 (Injury), Bron couldnít finish the job against the pre-KD warriors And lost in 6. Not having Ky in 2018 (traded) Bron got his *** swept to the KD Warriors.

    Everyone talks about the block, but nobody talk about the 3 from Ky in G7. And Ky was stellar in G5&6 as well.

    Does LeBron have Ky to thank for his Ď16 Cavs title?

    Was LeBron holding Ky back all this time?

    Now Ky has someone who will let him be the man and let him get the credit her deserves !!!

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    No, Kevin Love is

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    Let's look at their finals stats:
    Lebron: 30/11/9/3/2
    Kyrie: 27/4/4/2/1

    How about Game 7:
    Lebron: 27/11/11/2/3
    Kyrie: 26/6/1/1/1

    How about the 4th quarter:
    Lebron: 11/3/1 with one very big block
    Kyrie: 5/3/0 with one huge 3-pointer in the final minute

    Kyrie put up some big numbers and hit some big shots in that series, but Lebron was clearly the No. 1 guy for Cleveland that year and in that series. Kyrie hit the go-ahead shot, but Lebron had the key block on Iggy and scored six points on back-to-back possessions late in that game (5 minutes left) to turn a four-point deficit into a two-point lead.

    Does Cleveland win that series without Kyrie? No. But without Lebron, they don't even get to the Finals; probably not even close. Saying "Cleveland couldn't win in 2016 without Kyrie" is the equivalent of saying "MJ doesn't win 6 rings without Pippen." Most championship alphas need a legit No. 2. Kyrie was a damn good one that year, but he's still a better No. 2 than he ever was a No. 1. And he certainly has never been on Lebron's level.


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    This isn't basketball

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    Let's look at their finals stats:
    Lebron: 30/11/9/3/2
    Kyrie: 27/4/4/2/1

    How about Game 7:
    Lebron: 27/11/11/2/3
    Kyrie: 26/6/1/1/1

    How about the 4th quarter:
    Lebron: 11/3/1 with one very big block
    Kyrie: 5/3/0 with one huge 3-pointer in the final minute

    Kyrie put up some big numbers and hit some big shots in that series, but Lebron was clearly the No. 1 guy for Cleveland that year and in that series. Kyrie hit the go-ahead shot, but Lebron had the key block on Iggy and scored six points on back-to-back possessions late in that game (5 minutes left) to turn a four-point deficit into a two-point lead.

    Does Cleveland win that series without Kyrie? No. But without Lebron, they don't even get to the Finals; probably not even close. Saying "Cleveland couldn't win in 2016 without Kyrie" is the equivalent of saying "MJ doesn't win 6 rings without Pippen." Most championship alphas need a legit No. 2. Kyrie was a damn good one that year, but he's still a better No. 2 than he ever was a No. 1. And he certainly has never been on Lebron's level.
    Aaaaand LaVar just got owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaVar Ball View Post
    Letís be real, not having Ky in 2015 (Injury), Bron couldnít finish the job against the pre-KD warriors And lost in 6. Not having Ky in 2018 (traded) Bron got his *** swept to the KD Warriors.

    Everyone talks about the block, but nobody talk about the 3 from Ky in G7. And Ky was stellar in G5&6 as well.

    Does LeBron have Ky to thank for his Ď16 Cavs title?

    Was LeBron holding Ky back all this time?

    Now Ky has someone who will let him be the man and let him get the credit her deserves !!!
    Is that you Kyrie?

    I guess weíll see what the Nets do.

    Kyrie couldnít even get to the playoffs before Bron came to town.

    Kyrie will forever be Lebronís eldest son...that got kicked out the house for being a very bad influence.
    Last edited by IKnowHoops; 12-28-2020 at 08:35 PM.

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    I mean this is clearly a troll job, but I'll bite like the others. The reason is such stupid wording on purpose. So sure, lebron needed kyrie, but only because he was so overmatched everywhere else on the court. LeBron was still the guy on that team. He was the clear cut number 1, but no one wins on their own.

    So sure, lebron needed Kyrie, just like Jordan needed Pippen. Just like Shaq and Kobe needed each other. Just like KD needed Steph and the rest of Warriors. And so on. So lebron wouldn't have won without Kyrie, but no one wins alone and that team without kyrie was awful outside lebron.

    That being said, kyrie showed in Boston he isnt the guy. His final playoff series vs Milwuakee as a Celtic was atrocious. That Nets team lats year without Durant was actually fairly talented, but kyrie didn't do a ton with them. Kyrie is a number 2 and there's no doubt about it.

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    Oh man thatís a damn good question, OP. Itís gonna take me some time to answer this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    I mean this is clearly a troll job, but I'll bite like the others. The reason is such stupid wording on purpose. So sure, lebron needed kyrie, but only because he was so overmatched everywhere else on the court. LeBron was still the guy on that team. He was the clear cut number 1, but no one wins on their own.

    So sure, lebron needed Kyrie, just like Jordan needed Pippen. Just like Shaq and Kobe needed each other. Just like KD needed Steph and the rest of Warriors. And so on. So lebron wouldn't have won without Kyrie, but no one wins alone and that team without kyrie was awful outside lebron.

    That being said, kyrie showed in Boston he isnt the guy. His final playoff series vs Milwuakee as a Celtic was atrocious. That Nets team lats year without Durant was actually fairly talented, but kyrie didn't do a ton with them. Kyrie is a number 2 and there's no doubt about it.
    bingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vee-Rex View Post
    Oh man thatís a damn good question, OP. Itís gonna take me some time to answer this.
    No time at all. Kyrie is a darn good player and played a huge role. But at the same time he was not the key piece. Even if he goes on and win with KD which i dont think they will Kyrie to date have not shown the ability to lead. So even if he learn now whats done is done. Lebron was coming out the east in Boston.

    Kyrie was the one that broke up the team and he was the Wacky one with emotional issues. If he was the leader the team would have fallen apart faster than it did. Boston was falling apart with him and he did not make them any better over Thomas who he replaced.

    Put it this way Lebron would have gone to another team and surpass Kyrie Cavs in the East. Kyrie would have no ring with Cavs while Lebron would have put another team in position to win another.

    What he does now dont change what he was then. An emotional young talented inexperienced player. Are you going to use the future to change the past?
    Last edited by ldawg; 12-29-2020 at 11:14 AM.

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    I think you have it backwards, if we are only going to credit 1 guy

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    No time at all. Kyrie is a darn good player and played a huge role. But at the same time he was not the key piece. Even if he goes on and win with KD which i dont think they will Kyrie to date have not shown the ability to lead. So even if he learn now whats done is done. Lebron was coming out the east in Boston.

    Kyrie was the one that broke up the team and he was the Wacky one with emotional issues. If he was the leader the team would have fallen apart faster than it did. Boston was falling apart with him and he did not make them any better over Thomas who he replaced.

    Put it this way Lebron would have gone to another team and surpass Kyrie Cavs in the East. Kyrie would have no ring with Cavs while Lebron would have put another team in position to win another.

    What he does now dont change what he was then. An emotional young talented inexperienced player. Are you going to use the future to change the past?
    Lol he was being sarcastic bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    Let's look at their finals stats:
    Lebron: 30/11/9/3/2
    Kyrie: 27/4/4/2/1

    How about Game 7:
    Lebron: 27/11/11/2/3
    Kyrie: 26/6/1/1/1

    How about the 4th quarter:
    Lebron: 11/3/1 with one very big block
    Kyrie: 5/3/0 with one huge 3-pointer in the final minute

    Kyrie put up some big numbers and hit some big shots in that series, but Lebron was clearly the No. 1 guy for Cleveland that year and in that series. Kyrie hit the go-ahead shot, but Lebron had the key block on Iggy and scored six points on back-to-back possessions late in that game (5 minutes left) to turn a four-point deficit into a two-point lead.

    Does Cleveland win that series without Kyrie? No. But without Lebron, they don't even get to the Finals; probably not even close. Saying "Cleveland couldn't win in 2016 without Kyrie" is the equivalent of saying "MJ doesn't win 6 rings without Pippen." Most championship alphas need a legit No. 2. Kyrie was a damn good one that year, but he's still a better No. 2 than he ever was a No. 1. And he certainly has never been on Lebron's level.
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