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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by m_witter2003 View Post
    Looking at that list, I think Russell is untouchable due to making KAT happy (especially this year) but anyone else on the rest of the list could be traded. Even Edwards or Beasley if the package was good enough. I agree Coach Saunders needs to go.
    I wouldn't trade Malik. In my opinion he is a very underrated guard that as he is given minutes will continue to adapt. In all honesty I feel like he was one of our better acquisitions.

    We simply CANNOT play both Edwards and Rubio together this is a stupid *** rotation...

    I'd like to try a lineup of

    1. Russell
    2. Edwards
    3. Culver
    4. Davis
    5. Towns

    Then bring Beasley off the bench for firepower along with Rubio. I think this would balance our lineups a bit more.

    Our coaching just flat out sucks for rotations and he seems content for us to run at a million miles an hour rather then focusing on defensive fundamentals. It was almost hard to watch how polished the spurs were even with lesser talent then us.

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    you guys are high if you think Russell is a decent defender

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolves88 View Post
    I wouldn't trade Malik. In my opinion he is a very underrated guard that as he is given minutes will continue to adapt. In all honesty I feel like he was one of our better acquisitions.

    We simply CANNOT play both Edwards and Rubio together this is a stupid *** rotation...

    I'd like to try a lineup of

    1. Russell
    2. Edwards
    3. Culver
    4. Davis
    5. Towns

    Then bring Beasley off the bench for firepower along with Rubio. I think this would balance our lineups a bit more.

    Our coaching just flat out sucks for rotations and he seems content for us to run at a million miles an hour rather then focusing on defensive fundamentals. It was almost hard to watch how polished the spurs were even with lesser talent then us.
    yeah, Malik is absolutely earning his contract to date. I would start Edwards at the 3 going forward to be honest. Rubio and D-Lo do not work together, and you nailed it, Rubio is just old. I watched him in Phx last year, and noticed his lateral quickness, which was always meh, is gone. Therefore his defensive disruptiveness is gone too, even though he is still smart.

    He is a nice story, but he will not bring much value to this team, at all. That is clear.

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    why would Ryan close a game with Juan/Rubio on the floor? Seriously

    also, Edwards is running to the corner and turning into a statue. Before that develops into a habit, they need to start designing back screen and cuts for him away from the ball.

    Look, I get we want to be a 3 point shooting juggernaut. But until we have the right players in place to do that, why does every player on this team have a green light to shoot anytime they want from 3? It forces long rebounds that lead to easy transition opportunities for the opponent. We also need to start being WAY more physical on defense when it comes to attacking screens. God dammit, blow up those screens.

    I hate to say this again, but Rubio shouldn't be playing any real minutes at this point. He just isn't what he once was.

    This team lacks so much mental toughness, it's crazy. It starts with Towns obviously, but we need more from D-Lo as well. Beasley is the only guy who plays with emotion all the time, and we need to infuse this team with accountability, and desire to actually do the dirty **** it takes to win games, not just shoot smooth, silky jumpers all night and hope we outscore the other team. We constantly have players who are either skilled, or will do the dirty work, but never a combination of both. Okogie is willing to do the grimy things, but a total liability offensively. Then the flip side is Towns, who is beyond skilled, but runs like a little girl against the Embiid's of the world. It's just so frustrating watching this team just turn out the same identity year, after year, after year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    why would Ryan close a game with Juan/Rubio on the floor? Seriously

    also, Edwards is running to the corner and turning into a statue. Before that develops into a habit, they need to start designing back screen and cuts for him away from the ball.

    Look, I get we want to be a 3 point shooting juggernaut. But until we have the right players in place to do that, why does every player on this team have a green light to shoot anytime they want from 3? It forces long rebounds that lead to easy transition opportunities for the opponent. We also need to start being WAY more physical on defense when it comes to attacking screens. God dammit, blow up those screens.

    I hate to say this again, but Rubio shouldn't be playing any real minutes at this point. He just isn't what he once was.

    This team lacks so much mental toughness, it's crazy. It starts with Towns obviously, but we need more from D-Lo as well. Beasley is the only guy who plays with emotion all the time, and we need to infuse this team with accountability, and desire to actually do the dirty **** it takes to win games, not just shoot smooth, silky jumpers all night and hope we outscore the other team. We constantly have players who are either skilled, or will do the dirty work, but never a combination of both. Okogie is willing to do the grimy things, but a total liability offensively. Then the flip side is Towns, who is beyond skilled, but runs like a little girl against the Embiid's of the world. It's just so frustrating watching this team just turn out the same identity year, after year, after year.
    Agreed with everything you have said. Memphis was without Morant and JJJ and the last quarter we get destroyed. KAT and Russell combine 1-12.

    Saunders does not have this team competing with energy. He needs to go now. That loss is unforgivable. Why he plays Rubio and Russell together when it clearly doesn’t work. Why he doesn’t use our size (Davis, Reid, Vanderbilt) when we are getting smashed in the paint is rookie level coaching for a junior high school coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kia Kaha View Post
    Agreed with everything you have said. Memphis was without Morant and JJJ and the last quarter we get destroyed. KAT and Russell combine 1-12.

    Saunders does not have this team competing with energy. He needs to go now. That loss is unforgivable. Why he plays Rubio and Russell together when it clearly doesn’t work. Why he doesn’t use our size (Davis, Reid, Vanderbilt) when we are getting smashed in the paint is rookie level coaching for a junior high school coach.
    For sure. The best coaches are able to make in game adjustments, not just march out the same routine all night and hope for the best. And again, I just don't get the desire to be a 3 point launching team when we only have a few guys that should even be shooting 3's.

    The identity of the Wolves has just been a joke for eternity. KG was able to change the culture due to he and Flip to a degree, but we are just such a passive franchise that doesn't set any expectations. I heard Towns barked in the locker room after the loss again, blah blah blah. Mental toughness is not something you can just turn on, it's established. And while the Thib's of the world are no longer needed in the NBA perhaps, we need a culture change big time. I am not sure that will happen with Glen Taylor here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    For sure. The best coaches are able to make in game adjustments, not just march out the same routine all night and hope for the best. And again, I just don't get the desire to be a 3 point launching team when we only have a few guys that should even be shooting 3's.

    The identity of the Wolves has just been a joke for eternity. KG was able to change the culture due to he and Flip to a degree, but we are just such a passive franchise that doesn't set any expectations. I heard Towns barked in the locker room after the loss again, blah blah blah. Mental toughness is not something you can just turn on, it's established. And while the Thib's of the world are no longer needed in the NBA perhaps, we need a culture change big time. I am not sure that will happen with Glen Taylor here.

    This team is just bad. I find really no joy in watching the games anymore. Edwards and Beasley are the only players I really tune in to watch. Our defense is terrible and we just insist upon chucking 3 pointers. This team has WAY too much talent to just get flat out beat every single night. I think some of it is an effort thing. We just tend to float through certain portions of the game when other teams go on runs. I honestly hate this team more then any other in wolves history.

    Rosas revamped the roster but I'm not sure that getting rid of Wiggins for Russell was really worth it after all. We traded one chucker for another..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolves88 View Post
    This team is just bad. I find really no joy in watching the games anymore. Edwards and Beasley are the only players I really tune in to watch. Our defense is terrible and we just insist upon chucking 3 pointers. This team has WAY too much talent to just get flat out beat every single night. I think some of it is an effort thing. We just tend to float through certain portions of the game when other teams go on runs. I honestly hate this team more then any other in wolves history.

    Rosas revamped the roster but I'm not sure that getting rid of Wiggins for Russell was really worth it after all. We traded one chucker for another..
    the difference with D-Lo and Wiggins, is we were constantly force fed the line that Wiggins was so much better than he was, and he was improving. He was given franchise player responsibility long after he showed he doesn't belong in that conversation. I think the fan base knew this 5 years ago, we maxed him anyways, and the fans went nuts, myself a pure example.

    Russell is not a very good player. And we better do something about Edwards standing in the corner flat footed half the time on offense before it becomes a habit..

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    A loss to Orlando on a buzzer beater three. Can we please fire Saunders now! Not having Towns shouldn't be an excuse for keeping Saunders. I believe the Wolves are going to be in big trouble after this year. I expect Towns to request a trade and a rebuild start. I think the only way we salvage this is to bring in another coach this year, and finish strong so there's excitement for the upcoming year

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    Quote Originally Posted by m_witter2003 View Post
    A loss to Orlando on a buzzer beater three. Can we please fire Saunders now! Not having Towns shouldn't be an excuse for keeping Saunders. I believe the Wolves are going to be in big trouble after this year. I expect Towns to request a trade and a rebuild start. I think the only way we salvage this is to bring in another coach this year, and finish strong so there's excitement for the upcoming year
    It is sad, my neighbor and I watched this tonight. With I think 2.5 minutes left we were up by approximately 11. There could have been more time, but maybe another minute. They hit a 3 and we were up by 8. I said to my neighbor, I think we just lost the game. Then combinations of turnovers and horrid shot attempts, I could not believe it. Then if you are in a game you are trying to close out. You have to get free throw shooters on the court, Vanderbilt and Culver are both 47% from the field. I would have hacked the crap out of them if I was Orlando.

    I don't want to give up on this team yet, DLO and Towns have played a total of 4 games together? I will say I think this season is already over though. I feel like the gap between how much better every other team in the Western conference got even better and we fell further behind.

    I would Run

    Dlo
    Beasley
    Edwards
    Vanderbilt
    Towns or Reid, whomever is available.

    I would structure the offense around driving and kicking out. 3 point % goes way up on drive and kicks as it collapses the defense. Edwards has proven he can get to the paint easily and usually makes the right pass or can live at the line. I want to see the offense run through his ability to slash, drive, and finish/pass.

    Lastly, everyone hyped up this upcoming 21 draft class...I see no reason to get excited. Evan Mobley is the only player that even peaks my interest. 7'1 athletic, 7'5 reach, defensive minded with a nice jumper that moves like a SG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burrzy View Post
    It is sad, my neighbor and I watched this tonight. With I think 2.5 minutes left we were up by approximately 11. There could have been more time, but maybe another minute. They hit a 3 and we were up by 8. I said to my neighbor, I think we just lost the game. Then combinations of turnovers and horrid shot attempts, I could not believe it. Then if you are in a game you are trying to close out. You have to get free throw shooters on the court, Vanderbilt and Culver are both 47% from the field. I would have hacked the crap out of them if I was Orlando.

    I don't want to give up on this team yet, DLO and Towns have played a total of 4 games together? I will say I think this season is already over though. I feel like the gap between how much better every other team in the Western conference got even better and we fell further behind.

    I would Run

    Dlo
    Beasley
    Edwards
    Vanderbilt
    Towns or Reid, whomever is available.

    I would structure the offense around driving and kicking out. 3 point % goes way up on drive and kicks as it collapses the defense. Edwards has proven he can get to the paint easily and usually makes the right pass or can live at the line. I want to see the offense run through his ability to slash, drive, and finish/pass.

    Lastly, everyone hyped up this upcoming 21 draft class...I see no reason to get excited. Evan Mobley is the only player that even peaks my interest. 7'1 athletic, 7'5 reach, defensive minded with a nice jumper that moves like a SG.
    To build on your post, which I more or less agree with, we really need to spend this year balancing the roster. We clearly need a PF so badly, it's not even funny. Rosas has plenty of work to do.

    Regarding the draft, IF we kept our pick, I would take Suggs and trade D-Lo in a nanosecond.

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    I do like what I see from McDaniels long term though. I think he could be a long term solution at PF, but he has so much growth to do first.

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    Ryan's post-game press conference after Orlando game shows how awful his IQ is. Get him out of here ASAP.

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    I fell asleep on the couch watching the replay of the game at about 0200 in the am. I woke up at the end of the fourth with 2 minutes left and us up 11. I thought they have this game in the bag, Then I remembered I was watching the timberwolves and convinced myself they would lose the lead and the game in the last two minutes. I stayed up and watched it. Needless to say I should of skipped the last 2 minutes and just gone to sleep.

    This team lacks heart and leadership. There is absolutely no way a well coached team should EVER lose this game. We shoot **** shots throughout the game and have absolutely no clue what we are doing on offense or defense. It's just a bunch of shot jacking. When our shot jacking goes cold then we lose our lead and the game.

    This team has way too much offensive talent and overall skill to be losing these type of leads. For ****s sakes fire ryan already. Rosas should have his *** on the line too. That rubio trade is absolutely horrible. Mclaughlin showed last night he is 2x the backup that rubio is. At least he can make some freaking shots and a layup or two. Rubio should have his role reduced or be traded at the deadline.

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    I have been pretty busy and even missed a couple games already but I will give my thoughts on what I have seen so far...

    Towns - Bummer. I still want to see what this team does for extended run with him. We all know where he has needed improvements, hasn't played enough to tell if has made any.

    Edwards - Mixed. I see the potential here but I am also concerned with some decision making at times, specifically shot selection. He can create and does make solid decisions with the ball when passing at least though and that is a nice quality I wasn't aware of. Will need to see how he improves, is still very potential based.

    Culver/Okogie - Meh. I was hoping for a little bit more development from each, I guess Culver at least has looked improved from last year but it isn't saying tons.

    Beasley - I think he has been living up to the contract, seems like a legitimate starter on the right team to me.

    Deangelo Russell - A little worse than hoped for and I already noted my issues/concerns with our trading the pick this year for him. I feel like this could look worse than many initially thought if we give up a top 5 pick which seems very possible now.

    Rubio - I had a few disagreements on this at draft time but think it's a bit more clear now. This is why I didn't understand why people were excited, it always felt like a PR move and not a basketball move to me. I still wish we would have kept that pick and made it ourselves.

    Vanderbilt has looked solid rotationally. I like the brief instances I have seen of Mcdaniels, liked that pick at the time so hoping he hits his potential still a long way to go.

    Rosas - On the hot seat for me. I think most expect Ryan gone soon but our roster is part of the issue. We have no real PF and I think need a good amount of retooling still. I think giving up the pick this season may come back to bite us as noted already too. I expect we have to let this play out more still and see what moves are made by next season but he has a lot of work/needs to improve this team as well.

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