Luis Castillo

[dayners81]

That article is exactly on point. WAR is the single best measurement to try to encompass a players total value into one stat. If two players WARs are 8.2 and 8.3 then it doesn't automatically mean the 8.3 WAR player is better. They are very close where the difference is negligible, this is when you'd need to do a deeper dive into other stats to see who is truly better. But if a guy has a 8 WAR and another guy has a 5 WAR then you can bet that the guy with 8 WAR had the better season.

Spot on , you'd think we were trying to explain long division or something... goodness

[Posada20]

Good Lord how does defining value of a trade made yrs earlier have to do with the Yanks not making the playoffs in a random yr. Your confusing expectation in this argument with value. Pineda did do live up to expectation which is absolutely true but even though it wasn't close to what we hoped/expected we still got a positive value from what we got back in that trade. Seattle got ZERO positive value from any of the players w the got. While it fell short of expectation we still got more value from the players we got.

If you believe WAR is a flawed stat, what would you use as a comparative value tool? there has to be a consistent baseline to measure somewhere.

Just because someone writes and publishes an article based on their interpretation of an idea does it make it a fact. I've written and published many articles and that didn't make them fact, it made them my opinion based on my interpretation of the information available about the topic. While WAR isn't a perfect stat by any means it is by far the most excepted baseline to measure a players value.

Go and read what I said was the basis to my belief that there was no winner in that trade . Why doesnt anyone who say that the yanks won that trade use any other stat to prove me wrong ? Why do they keep going back to WAR ?

[dayners81]

But how do u get a baseline do define basic value across the board. It maybe your opinion that there were no wtrue winners of that deal and I agree that we didn't get close to the value we hoped. That said based on the contribution we got vswhat Seattle ultimately got , we got the better end of that deal.

[Posada20]

But how do u get a baseline do define basic value across the board. It maybe your opinion that there were no wtrue winners of that deal and I agree that we didn't get close to the value we hoped. That said based on the contribution we got vswhat Seattle ultimately got , we got the better end of that deal.

But they still didn’t win in that deal either . Just because someone doesn’t lose as big as the other does, it doesn’t mean they are winners . I mean if one guy lost 5 grand in a casino and another guy lost 3 grand . Does then mean the guy who lost 3 grand is a winner ? No it doesn’t . They both lost money .

[drt1010]

^^ Case closed.

[dayners81]

Except in this case it's like Seattle lost 2400 and we finished 6300 ahead

[Kinkotheclown]

Agreed. There is no such thing as a perfect stat. But together, you can paint a broad picture.

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I disagree
36-24-36. Grrrrrowl

[Kinkotheclown]

Except in this case it's like Seattle lost 2400 and we finished 6300 ahead

Both teams thought the were getting a sports car.

One got a beat up ford escort that broke down. The other got a Toyota Camry with more miles than they thought but it still served its purpose. It was moderately reliable and got them thought a few decent years.

[Posada20]

Except in this case it's like Seattle lost 2400 and we finished 6300 ahead

How in the hell did the Yankees finish ahead when it took over 2 years for Pineda to start his first mlb game for the Yankees and when he did he was never better than a 5th starter and could never stay healthy ?

[YANKSGUY]

Someone should tell him that every major league team uses war(to an extent) to value and pay players and it does infact come up in negotiations/arbitration.

Guess all 32 major league teams are wrong.

No one here that I've seen says that it is end all be all, but it most definitely provides some value.


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You actually think the people that run MLB teams are smarter than Posada? Very foolish on your part. Posada is head and shoulders above those so called professionals. LOL

[dayners81]

How in the hell did the Yankees finish ahead when it took over 2 years for Pineda to start his first mlb game for the Yankees and when he did he was never better than a 5th starter and could never stay healthy ?

because he still created a positive value while he was here and the players that Seattle got had a negative value. There is no arguing that Pineda gave the Yanks more value than Montero, Noesi and Campos provided Seattle. Even using your money example Seattle lost money and while it wasn't what we hoped we still can out ahead in that trade.

[Posada20]

because he still created a positive value while he was here and the players that Seattle got had a negative value. There is no arguing that Pineda gave the Yanks more value than Montero, Noesi and Campos provided Seattle. Even using your money example Seattle lost money and while it wasn't what we hoped we still can out ahead in that trade.

I ask you again what positive value could Pineda have possibly given when it took 2 years before he made his first mlb start tor them and and he never was better than a 5th starter? He failed to live up to what the Yankees traded him for . That is a loss plain and simple . Neither side got what they traded for so neither side won. . End of story

[dayners81]

Because our side of the trade contributed more value than what we sent to Seattle. Just because neither team got what they expected doesn't mean that 1 side didn't get more value than the other.

When someone creates positive value they help their team win. Using your money example or whatever other kind of metric u want , we got more value out of the trade than Seattle did.

Just because u feel that neither team got what they hoped doesn't take away from the fact we got some positive value from the trade and they got negative value.

[OhSoSlick]

Because our side of the trade contributed more value than what we sent to Seattle. Just because neither team got what they expected doesn't mean that 1 side didn't get more value than the other.

When someone creates positive value they help their team win. Using your money example or whatever other kind of metric u want , we got more value out of the trade than Seattle did.

Just because u feel that neither team got what they hoped doesn't take away from the fact we got some positive value from the trade and they got negative value.

Oye vey

Why do you still bother.

It's like talking to a wall that's falling apart.
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[johnnyi]

Don't let others drag you down to their level. Just put them on ignore.