Name a player you think is DONE

[KnicksorBust]

Blake Griffin.

Knicks played the Pistons twice already and yikes. 2 years ago when he was 29 he still put up monster numbers in Detroit. Career high 25ppg with 8rpg and 5apg. This BG just chills at the 3pt line and bombs away. Not aggressive at all offensively and still no impact defensively. Maybe he is saving himself in the preseason but what I saw was a shell of his former self.

Who ya got?

[beasted86]

Marc Gasol

The idea of him starting for the Lakers or any team is laughable at this point.

Mike Conley

Done at least as a starter. He stepped up big time in the playoffs, but is likely in the bottom 10 starting PGs for the regular season now. Best suited for a bench role until playoff time like Dragić.

[mightybosstone]

Blake Griffin.

Knicks played the Pistons twice already and yikes. 2 years ago when he was 29 he still put up monster numbers in Detroit. Career high 25ppg with 8rpg and 5apg. This BG just chills at the 3pt line and bombs away. Not aggressive at all offensively and still no impact defensively. Maybe he is saving himself in the preseason but what I saw was a shell of his former self.

Who ya got?

If so, that's sad. It's crazy to think he, Harden and Curry came from the same draft class, and Griffin was the clear cut consensus No. 1 pick. Harden and Curry will retire as all-time top 25 guys. Does Griffin even sniff top 100? I don't think he does. So much potential.

[KnicksorBust]

If so, that's sad. It's crazy to think he, Harden and Curry came from the same draft class, and Griffin was the clear cut consensus No. 1 pick. Harden and Curry will retire as all-time top 25 guys. Does Griffin even sniff top 100? I don't think he does. So much potential.

He had a clear baseline for a classic Blake Griffin tomahawk dunk. Involuntarily, my body straightened up on my couch in preparation for my boy Mitchell Robinson to end up on ESPN. Dead serious. Then...nothing. I should have been relieved but I was actually disappointed haha.

I'm not saying he will be out of the league so maybe "done" is strong but definitely not the same player I watched for the better part of a decade.

[JAZZNC]

Marc Gasol

The idea of him starting for the Lakers or any team is laughable at this point.

Mike Conley

Done at least as a starter. He stepped up big time in the playoffs, but is likely in the bottom 10 starting PGs for the regular season now. Best suited for a bench role until playoff time like Dragić.

Yeah kinda sucks to be paying that dude over 30mill this season. Oof. But it is what it is. I agree that he's probably in the bottom 10 as far as starting PGs and I really don't like having a 3 guard rotation of Conley, Mitchell, Clarkson. Way too small and not enough D IMO.

[TheDish87]

Blake Griffin.

Knicks played the Pistons twice already and yikes. 2 years ago when he was 29 he still put up monster numbers in Detroit. Career high 25ppg with 8rpg and 5apg. This BG just chills at the 3pt line and bombs away. Not aggressive at all offensively and still no impact defensively. Maybe he is saving himself in the preseason but what I saw was a shell of his former self.

Who ya got?

i think Griffin is more just mentally checked out playing for the Pistons. After those off season moves I cant blame him

[KnicksorBust]

i think Griffin is more just mentally checked out playing for the Pistons. After those off season moves I cant blame him

Possible. But I just don't think the hops are there anymore. Makes what LeBron is doing at 35 even more impressive that BG might be cooked at 31. We will see if his post, passing, and shooting skills keep him relevant.

[R. Johnson#3]

Marc Gasol

The idea of him starting for the Lakers or any team is laughable at this point.

Mike Conley

Done at least as a starter. He stepped up big time in the playoffs, but is likely in the bottom 10 starting PGs for the regular season now. Best suited for a bench role until playoff time like Dragić.

It actually hurt me to watch him play last season. I have no love for the Lakers but for Marc's sake I hope playing with Pau gives him some sort of resurgence.

[warfelg]

Kemba Walker. That knee isn’t right.


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[R. Johnson#3]

If so, that's sad. It's crazy to think he, Harden and Curry came from the same draft class, and Griffin was the clear cut consensus No. 1 pick. Harden and Curry will retire as all-time top 25 guys. Does Griffin even sniff top 100? I don't think he does. So much potential.

In no order

MJ
KAJ
Bird
Magic
Dream
Shaq
Kobe
Wilt
Timmy
Dirk
LeBron
Wade
GP
Steph
Stockton
Malone
Chuck
Clyde
AI
KG
Zeke
Truth
Pippen
Admiral
Reggie
Kemp
Nash
Kidd

28 players I'd put before Harden. There's probably more too.

[mightybosstone]

In no order

MJ
KAJ
Bird
Magic
Dream
Shaq
Kobe
Wilt
Timmy
Dirk
LeBron
Wade
GP
Steph
Stockton
Malone
Chuck
Clyde
AI
KG
Zeke
Truth
Pippen
Admiral
Reggie
Kemp
Nash
Kidd

28 players I'd put before Harden. There's probably more too.

Cool. Notice I said "retire as" and the fact that Harden is only 31. Also, all-time lists are subjective, you would be the last person I would go to for your opinion on this, and you're completely missing the point of my post to hijack this and make it another anti-Harden thread.

My point is simply that Griffin was practically considered a generational talent when he was drafted, and he's easily more physically gifted than James or Curry. But those guys have had vastly superior careers. Let's try to stay on topic, though. I'm not going to get into another Harden debate with you. God knows we have plenty of threads for that already.

[R. Johnson#3]

Cool. Notice I said "retire as" and the fact that Harden is only 31. Also, all-time lists are subjective, you would be the last person I would go to for your opinion on this, and you're completely missing the point of my post to hijack this and make it another anti-Harden thread.

My point is simply that Griffin was practically considered a generational talent when he was drafted, and he's easily more physically gifted than James or Curry. But those guys have had vastly superior careers. Let's try to stay on topic, though. I'm not going to get into another Harden debate with you. God knows we have plenty of threads for that already.

Notice how the every player I listed is already retired aside from LeBron and Steph. It's because I know Harden won't surpass what they've already done. I can't believe I forgot KD too.

[mightybosstone]

Notice how the every player I listed is already retired aside from LeBron and Steph. It's because I know Harden won't surpass what they've already done. I can't believe I forgot KD too.

I never said that I thought Harden was better than Curry, Lebron or KD historically. Those guys would also be in my top 25. Dope strawman argument, though! Pretty much what I've come to expect from you at this point.

[R. Johnson#3]

I never said that I thought Harden was better than Curry, Lebron or KD historically. Those guys would also be in my top 25. Dope strawman argument, though! Pretty much what I've come to expect from you at this point.

I know you didn't. I just listed 29 players who are better than Harden ever will be to dispute your claim that he'll retire top 25.

[mightybosstone]

I know you didn't. I just listed 29 players who are better than Harden ever will be to dispute your claim that he'll retire top 25.

Cool. I disagree with that list. Most people would, too, because all-time lists are subjective. I would have him higher than at least 8-9 of those guys and arguably higher than 11-12. I could give you great justification for why that includes a million different stats, accolades and pieces of context and you'd come back with: "Lulz! Harden's fat! Look at his AST/TO ratio! He's a choker!"

Since we know where that debate is headed, let's just leave it at that, huh? We agree to disagree, and let's stick to the topic at hand.