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    2020/21 Off-Season Thread

    So, whatís out there?

    Turner looking for a 3 year deal.

    Dodgers potentially looking hard at Semien, LeMaheu, and Hendricks.
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    This offseason, Iím convinced that Ken Rosenthal is clueless.

    So... nothing has changed in that regard. Just thought it was worth sharing lol
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    I wouldnít give Turner anything more then a bloated one year deal if we miss out on Lindor, Lehmeiu, or Arenado...I feel like Turner is on the precipice of major decline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU View Post
    I wouldnít give Turner anything more then a bloated one year deal if we miss out on Lindor, Lehmeiu, or Arenado...I feel like Turner is on the precipice of major decline.


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    Fa sho.

    Iím sure he feels he deserves more after his last sweetheart deal, but heís gotta realize heís always battled health, his defense is in decline and now, as you say, heís due for decline on the other side as well.

    Tell you what bro, Iíll give you $30M to come back. I can give it to you in a 1 year deal, or spread out over a 3 year deal. Which do you prefer? Lol

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    It sounds like a JT reunion is the likeliest outcome for 3B at this point.

    Rumors are that the Rockies prefer to trade Arenado to the Mets (because of course they would), though that doesnít really matter if he demands to got to the Dodgers.

    Iíd be happy to have him back but a 2 year deal is the absolute most Iíd do for JT and it appears that our FO is on the same page. Hopefully the DH is back in the NL and JT can focus entirely on hitting next year.

    If the FO goes the JT route without the DH then they obviously wonít be pursuing a SS and sliding Seager to 3rd this year. In either case, theyíre going into next offseason looking to sign an SS in free agency because, unless he fires Boras, there is no way Seager extends before then.

    Lindor and Seager are both on the market next year. I like the idea of signing Semien to a one year deal, moving Seager to 3rd in 2021, then going hard after both Seager and Lindor with big deals in FA.

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    Actually, the more I think about it, we may be best standing pat for a year and giving CT3 an everyday role in 2021 as opposed to signing Semien or giving JT a 3 year deal.

    CT3 is a very good infielder and has produced good offensive numbers for a solid defensive infielder (.805 OPS, 114 OPS+ as a Dodger).

    I know the FO loves him for his versatility, but this might be a better use of his skills if it saves us from making an unnecessary investment in a stopgap solution. I imagine the everyday role wouldnít hurt the potential to get better production out of him on both sides of the ball as well.

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    I'd sign Hendriks, Treinen and Baez to shore up that bullpen. A backloaded deal with Bauer would be nice but I think Freidman who loves his reclamation projects will go after someone cheaper a reclamation project like Kluber. I want a little better pitching this year. Not too worried about 3B, go with platoon there and see how they do, if it doesn't work out make a deal for Arenado or a rental at the deadline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USCFOOTBALL View Post
    I'd sign Hendriks, Treinen and Baez to shore up that bullpen. A backloaded deal with Bauer would be nice but I think Freidman who loves his reclamation projects will go after someone cheaper a reclamation project like Kluber. I want a little better pitching this year. Not too worried about 3B, go with platoon there and see how they do, if it doesn't work out make a deal for Arenado or a rental at the deadline.
    Sign me up for Hendriks.

    Hendriks, Trienen, and Baez with improvement from Graterol and Gonzalez would be a great foundation.

    Bauer kind of worries me on a multi year deal. I mean, Iíve seen enough of him to know heís always had very good potential, but heís only hit solid numbers twice in his career. Prior to 2018 his hype was built on potential. In 2019 he came back down to earth. Maybe someone gets 2020 Bauer for a few years though I think 2018 is a more realistic expectation. Again, I only really saw his highlights and he looked unhittable, but weíve seen that from him in that past with less effective results. Of course I wouldnít knock it, but I wouldnít be angry if we took a pass on a multi year deal.

    True dat regarding AFís reclamation projects. I think we have a good enough staff with DP coming back that we should be able to add one. Kluber might be done... but if he proves to be even a 75% of what he was, then thatís a solid middle rotation guy.

    Buehler
    CK
    DP
    Kluber?
    Urias/May

    Whoever loses the fifth spot battle makes our bullpen eye-popping with the addition of Hendriks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero View Post
    Sign me up for Hendriks.

    Hendriks, Trienen, and Baez with improvement from Graterol and Gonzalez would be a great foundation.

    Bauer kind of worries me on a multi year deal. I mean, Iíve seen enough of him to know heís always had very good potential, but heís only hit solid numbers twice in his career. Prior to 2018 his hype was built on potential. In 2019 he came back down to earth. Maybe someone gets 2020 Bauer for a few years though I think 2018 is a more realistic expectation. Again, I only really saw his highlights and he looked unhittable, but weíve seen that from him in that past with less effective results. Of course I wouldnít knock it, but I wouldnít be angry if we took a pass on a multi year deal.

    True dat regarding AFís reclamation projects. I think we have a good enough staff with DP coming back that we should be able to add one. Kluber might be done... but if he proves to be even a 75% of what he was, then thatís a solid middle rotation guy.

    Buehler
    CK
    DP
    Kluber?
    Urias/May

    Whoever loses the fifth spot battle makes our bullpen eye-popping with the addition of Hendriks
    bullpen would be:

    CL: Hendriks

    setup: Graterol
    setup: Gonsolin

    MR: Knebel
    MR: Gonzalez
    MR: Kelly
    MR: Jansen

    Specialist Kolarek, Floro, Ferguson
    Long relief: May/Urias

    Minor league arms: Gray, Uceta, Morrow, White

    Now that I look at the bullpen I dont think we will bring back Treinen or Baez.
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    https://nypost.com/2020/12/23/ex-yan...b-free-agency/

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ngeles-dodgers

    couple acquisitions I havent seen discussed on here.

    Knebel could be our closer if he's healthy.
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    Starters:

    SP: Buehler
    SP: Kershaw
    SP: Price
    SP: Urias
    SP: May

    Current bullpen

    CL: Graterol

    setup: Jansen
    setup: Gonsolin

    MR: Knebel
    MR: Gonzalez
    MR: Kelly
    MR: Mitchell White

    Specialist Kolarek, Floro, Ferguson
    Long relief: Josiah Gray

    Minor league arms: Uceta, Morrow, Pepiot

    We might just stay as we are, I hope they add more reliever in free agency, preferably Hendriks or Treinen.

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    C: Barnes/Smith
    1B: Muncy
    2B: Lux
    SS: Seager
    3B: Edwin Rios/Kody Hoese/Miguel Vargas
    LF: Taylor/Pollack
    CF: Bellinger
    RF: Betts

    Possible call ups: DJ Peters OF .260 avg/388 OBP AAA, Busch 2B/3B .284 avg, .436 OBP AAA, Jacob Amaya A .260 avg 381 OBP,

    Looks pretty solid to me, Hoese has been tearing it up the minor leagues may as well see how he does in a platoon with Rios at 3rd. Busch is also killing in the minors, I think because of his limited fielding they may try him at 2B/LF. Might have to move Seager to 3rd base in case Rios/Hoese/Vargas doesn't work out at 3rd. Vargas and Rios are probably the front runners since Hoese is a bit stiff of a fielder.
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    Baseball Prospects has written about the Dodgers top 10 prospects. Here is a summary.
    The depth and overall quality of the system has taken a dip from recent years, but a lot of that has been because of graduated prospects who contributed to a World Series title.
    The Top Ten:
    Josiah Gray, RHP
    Keibert Ruiz, C
    Miguel Vargas, 3B
    Michael Busch, 2B
    Diego Cartaya, C
    Bobby Miller, RHP
    Andre Jackson, RHP
    Kody Hoese, 3B
    Jacob Amaya, IF
    Gerardo Carrillo, RHP
    1. RHP Josiah Gray
    Heís not a mere arm strength prospect at this point. He has a fluid, repeatable, uptempo delivery. He still sits mid-90s and both his slider and change have a chance to be above-average. He looks like a solid mid-rotation (#3) prospect. He spent most of the summer trying to refine his secondaries, but heís about ready to be deployed in whatever role the Dodgers like, which Iíd guess wonít be a traditional 32 start /180 inning workhorse, but heíd likely be capable of that in time. He has time to further tighten up his short, power slider and overall command.
    2. C Keibert Ruiz
    Ruiz didnít really tame the aggressive approach to his offense in 2019 despite walking more than he struck out. Both the pop and quality of contact regressed. He added weight. His profile is starting to blur the line a bit between a major league regular projection and a quality tandem or backup. The development hasnít been along that nice slope youíd want, but he's still young for the leagues he has been in. He still has potentially average offensive tools and above-average defensive ones. Thatís a good catching prospect, but one who still needs to take that next step. His playing time may be contingent on Will Smithís health, as the Dodgers primary backstop looks like he might already be a top-five catcher in baseball, and his backup, Austin Barnes, is functionally Clayton Kershawís personal catcher. Ruiz is only 22, and hasnít dominated the high minors yet. Heíll spend some of that time in 2021 hanging out in OKC.
    3. 3B Miguel Vargas
    He is a naturally gifted hitter with plus bat-to-ball ability and is able to drive the ball gap-to-gap. Advanced strike-zone awareness limits his strikeouts, and prevents him from chasing bad pitches. While his power has yet to fully develop, his sturdy base and strong physique are sure to produce more home runs as he matures. His mobility and range are somewhat limited, but Vargas has the soft hands and the arm strength to play a competent 3B, while he also has seen time at 1B or even 2B. He didnít get an invite to the alternate site, but his offensive performance at instructs played to the pre-season scouting report. He would have started 2020 at 2A, and should start there in 2021. The bat is capable of forcing the issue if his power continues to develop He projects as a first division 3B who plays around the infield. .
    4. 2B Michael Busch
    The Dodgers took him in first round in 2019 based on the strength of his bat. He does everything well -- hit, approach, pop. His bat might have been worthy of going in the top half of the first round, Busch was primarily a 1B/LF in college, but the Dodgers want him to become a 2B. He has shown a good feel for contact and control of the zone, with burgeoning power. The hit and power tools could both end up above-average or better. He has settled into 2B and while heís unlikely to grade out as average there, itís playable. He projects as a plus bat, fringe defender.
    5. C Diego Cartaya
    The Dodgers put Cartaya on the Keibert Ruiz track of catching development. They brought him stateside at 17 as soon as the AZL. Cartaya has more raw power projection and a potential plus hit tool, but the defensive game is not as advanced as it was for teenaged Ruiz. Cartaya lacks some of the quick-twitch actions a modern catcher is expected to have and his receiving is more brute strength than finesse at present. Some of that will smooth out with more professional instruction and reps, but the profile is hit-over-glove, and that doesnít always fly behind the plate. Thereís potential on both sides of the ball though.
    6. RHP Bobby Miller
    Drafted 29th overall in the 2020 draft. Miller actually has the edge over his former Louisville teammate Reid Detmers in terms of dynamic stuff despite being picked 19 spots later in the first round. He features a live fastball in the mid-90s that holds itís heat late into games and can ramp the pitch up to 99 at times. His can command it to either side of the plater. He backs it up with a curling slider in the low 80s that is his second-best offering. A cutter and firm changeup round-out the mix, both needing to improve in order to reach average grades. There is a chance the fastball velocity can still find another gear, even though thatís the least of concerns with the profile. The arm stroke is rather elongated, forcing his glove hand to reach out front to maintain balance. This makes his secondaries a little difficult to repeat. Already lacking finish on both the cutter and change, without improvement in the other two secondaries, there will be relief concerns. Having never spent an entire year as a starter while in school, he will need to prove his stuff can be sustained across an entire season. He projects as a back-end starter or late-inning reliever.
    7. RHP Andre Jackson
    RHP
    A former college OF, he utilizes a high release point and a mid-90s fastball to consistently challenge hitters up in the zone. He pairs it perfectly with is a plunging upper-70s curveball. His mid-80s changeup is getting better. His command will need to improve. Has competitiveness. Should start at 2A.
    8. 3B Kody Hoese
    Hoese followed up a strong 2018 Cape Cod campaign with an outrageous junior year at Tulane. He nearly scraped .400 with 23 homers and more walks than strikeouts. The power is plus, but it takes some length and leverage from his large, sturdy frame to tap into it, which can lead to swing-and-miss issues. He is not a lock to stick at 3B given his size and stiffness in the field. He projects as an average corner infielder.
    9. SS Jacob Amaya
    He might struggle to crack double-digit HR, heís far from an offensive zero. Heís a tough out due to his strong strike zone awareness and plus contact ability that he can work gap-to-gap. He has high OBPs that should continue in the majors. He can potentially pair that with a .280 batting average and plenty of doubles. He has soft hands and strong arm will enable him to play all three infield positions at the highest level. His speed and baserunning savvy make him dangerous every time he makes his way to first. He last played at the A+ level, but his strong fundamentals and well-rounded game will allow him to progress quickly. He projects as a good 5th infielder.
    10. RHP Gerardo Carrillo
    He has as electric an arm as any pitcher in the Dodgers organization that emanates from a seemingly effortless motion. His fastball sits comfortably in the high-90s and can reach triple-digits. His secondary offerings remain a work in progress, consisting of a slurvy breaking ball with varying velocity and shape, a high-80s changeup, and a hard cutter that he can work inside against lefties. Heís sometimes struggled with command as a pro, but has also demonstrated the ability to make adjustments and improvements required to develop into a quality major-league hurler. He has been used as a starter, but could transition to the bullpen. Projects as a #4 starter or set-up man.
    Honorable mention:
    LHP Landon Knack
    Fifth-year senior, he had one of the most unique profiles in this yearís draft. Injuries cost him most of three different seasons while he was a two-way player. Now a full-time pitcher, his stuff dramatically improved. Very good control.
    RHP Clayton Beeter
    Injuries plagued Beeter throughout his senior year of high school and freshman year at Texas Tech, resulting in two elbow surgeries including TJ. He returned as a RP for his sophomore campaign in 2019 and struck out nearly two batters an inning. but he was wild. . He has lights-out stuff that could play well in high leverage situations, featuring upper 90s heat and plus-plus slider.
    OF Jake Vogel
    Could be the fastest player in this yearís prep class. He garnered mixed reviews on his offensive potential, mostly because of his light frame and compact swing.
    OF Andy Pages
    He looked good at instructs, still every bit the potential plus hit/power combo heíll need to carry a corner OF profile.
    RHP Mitchell White
    White has long been a favorite of our west coast branch evaluators. Various injuries have depleted his stuff at times, but the fastball is back to mid-90s in short bursts and he pairs it with an above-average slider/cutter thing and low-80s curve. He might just be a 95-and-a-breaking-ball guy, but at least he is healthy now as far as we know.
    RHP Michael Grove
    Grove was coming off TJ surgery last year. Heís worked on ironing out some of the mechanical issues we saw last year, and the fastball has ticked up to plus, and an improving change-up could get there as well.
    IF/OF Zach McKinstry
    McKinstry was a 33rd rounder. A solid college performer whose best tool was his approach. A light hitter, things changed in 2019. He socked 19 HR in the upper minors. He can play all over the diamond, and while the power might not reach the heights he found with the 3A in PCL parks, the Dodgers might not miss Enrique Hernandez as much as youíd think in 2021.
    The under-25 players form one of the most loaded crops of young major-league talent in the league. The list includes Bellinger, May, Lux, Urias, Graterol, Ferguson, Gonzalez. Weíre still looking for Lux to be an offensive force starting very soon. Weíd still like to see Graterol get a shot at starting long-term.

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    I'm wondering if it might be a good idea to move Julio Urias to closer, he's been an outstanding reliever in the playoffs.

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    ^Good stuff

    Merry Xmas yíall, we got Kahnle! Lol

    Seriously though, itís a good signing with very low risk and a lot of upside. Heís had a couple of very good seasons, just gotta hope he can figure out how to do it consistently for two more years. Hereís a good article on Fangraphs regarding the effectiveness and usage of his changeup.

    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/tommy-ka...angeup-change/

    Knebel as a reclamation project was a huge get. If he can stay healthy and return to form, thatís two arms that could really solidify the pen. Hendriks would still be a great addition, then maybe Trienen if he wonít cost too much. The rest of the question marks and health concerns should be answered with the young guns.

    I love Urias in the pen, but part of me really wants to see what heís got for a full season as a starter. Heís got a lot of potential there but really hasnít been stretched out and seems to struggle with pitch counts and getting deep into games. At some point weíve gotta piss or get off the pot with his role as a starter and, ultimately, I see him landing in the pen unless he gets that role nailed down soon.

    May has every bit of the potential Urias has in both the rotation and the pen so Iím good with either of them back there though, admittedly, watching Urias cut through everyone out of the pen is something special. He really seems to shine in those moments.
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