2020/21 Off-Season Thread

[GibbyIsMyHero]

Kirby Yates anyone? I didn’t even realize he’s an FA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...rby-yates/amp/

Yes please.

[USCFOOTBALL]

Kirby Yates anyone? I didn’t even realize he’s an FA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...rby-yates/amp/

Yes please.

Good find, sign Yates then call it an offseason.

[GibbyIsMyHero]

Let me just say this... Clayton Kershaw is by far the greatest pitcher of this generation. As if his accomplishments in his prime don’t say enough, the fact that he’s evolved to remain an ace with that much mileage, the loss of velo, and all of the health issues he seems to be on the other side of now, he also doesn’t seem to have a cheat bone in his body.

**** all these pretenders.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/angel...MP_ECID_EZOIC)

[USCFOOTBALL]

Let me just say this... Clayton Kershaw is by far the greatest pitcher of this generation. As if his accomplishments in his prime don’t say enough, the fact that he’s evolved to remain an ace with that much mileage, the loss of velo, and all of the health issues he seems to be on the other side of now, he also doesn’t seem to have a cheat bone in his body.

**** all these pretenders.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/angel...MP_ECID_EZOIC)

I would want Kershaw to take a pay cut after this year, he's past his prime.I would hate for AF to give a big contract for someone who is past his prime. I know that sounds harsh but too many bad contracts are given out for sentimental reasons.

[USCFOOTBALL]

Kirby Yates anyone? I didn’t even realize he’s an FA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...rby-yates/amp/

Yes please.

nice find Yates would be the final piece of the puzzle

[USCFOOTBALL]

Price looking good

https://twitter.com/DAVIDprice24/sta...961053697?s=20

[KobeOwnSU]

Dodgers avoid arbitration with the following players:

Walker Buehler and Austin Barnes will go to arbitration.


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[bkt42]

Friedman seemed pretty clear he was adding a RH bat, so the only real question is whether this team is willing to go over the $210 million threshold; because they are already close according to Cots (204 million). All three of Boras' guys (Cody, Corey and Julio) got substantially more with their arbitration numbers and put us much closer to the luxury tax line than anyone had guessed.

I offer two such targets and they DO NOT include Turner, Arenado or Bryant.

Although Justin remains unsigned and would still figure to be the likely choice, someone is going to offer him a 3 yr/$50 million plus contract and even if we get the NL is using the DH news before this happens, we don't need to match. At most would be a 2-yr offer and I am not sure I would exceed $30 million in doing so.

Both Arenado and Bryant would be trading for single years of service, although the former could conceivable not opt out and finish out his 5 years and $175 million still owed to him. It would have to be a huge package to get the Rockies to trade him in-division however. The package to the Cubs would be considerably less, but then again he is a for sure UFA after 2021.

With Betts already making 30 million per and Seager going to command that as well next season, along with Bellinger knocking on the door for that type of contract, do we really want to commit to another?

No, the Dodgers best move is to go after one of two good 3B who are already signed for multi-year at a reasonable rate.

The Indians may in fact be willing to unload the switch-hitting Jose Ramirez, who is signed for 9 million for this season but has club options of 11 and 13 million the following two, perhaps too rich for the Cleveland brass.

The Reds, who are willing to entertain offers for Sonny Gray or Luis Castillo if someone will take on one of their other large contracts (they would prefer it be Moustakas or Castellanos- but those deals are all but immovable) might bite on moving 3B Eugenio Suarez, who has close to $60 million still left on his contract through 2024 (2 million buyout for the final year would make it 45.5 million). The Dodgers, who sat back and watched the Padres snag Blake Snell, could counter by adding the younger Luis Castillo (by a whole week) in a prospect package that also netted them Suarez.

What would the Indians and Reds Want?

The Indians would most definitely want Lux in any Ramirez package as well as young pitching. A Gonsolin-led package that may include Mitchell White or Edwin Uceta might get it done.

By including Castillo, the Reds most assuredly would want Josiah Gray back and perhaps would be interested in Keibert Ruiz. The Dodgers could really increase the prospect haul and perhaps pry LHP Amir Garrett in the deal as well. Such a prospect package (and taking on the 16 million in payroll relief) perhaps they could unload the final year and 2022 buyout contract of Joe Kelly.

The Tribe will likely be more inclined to keep Ramirez after unloading Lindor, so I think the Reds are the way to go:

Proposed Trade:

Dodgers send RHP's Joe Kelly and Tony Gonsolin, OF Zach Reks along with 4 prospects in RHP Josiah Gray (#1), 3B Kody Hoese (#3), RHP Gerardo Carrillo (#16) and IF Devin Mann (#19) to the Cincinnati Reds for 3B Eugenio Suarez, RHP Luis Castillo and LHP Amir Garrett

2021 Dodgers:

Rotation: (10)

RHP Walker Buehler $3,750,000 (Arbitration est)
LHP Clayton Kershaw $31,000,000
RHP Luis Castillo $4,200,000
LHP David Price $15,000,000*
RHP Dustin May
LHP Julio Urias $3,600,000
RHP Jimmy Nelson
RHP Mitchell White
RHP Andre Jackson
RHP Edwin Uceta

Bullpen: (14)

RHP Kenley Jansen $16,000,000
LHP Amir Garrett $1,500,000
RHP Blake Treinen $8,750,000
LHP Victor Gonzalez
RHP Corey Knebel $5,250,000
LHP Jake McGee $1,000,000**
RHP Brusdar Graterol
LHP Scott Alexander $1,000,000
RHP Tommy Kahnle $2,100,000 (DL)
LHP Caleb Ferguson (DL)
RHP Dylan Floro $975,000
LHP Adam Kolarek
RHP Dennis Santana
LHP Garrett Cleavinger/Enny Romero
RHP Brandon Morrow
RHP Josh Sborz


Lineup: (9)

RF Mookie Betts (R) $25,555,000
SS Corey Seager (L) $13,750,000
3B Eugenio Saurez (R) $9,429,000
CF Cody Bellinger (L) $16,100,000
C Will Smith (R)
1B Max Muncy (L) $8,667,000
LF A.J. Pollock (R) $12,000,000
DH Edwin Rios (L)
2B Gavin Lux (L)

Bench: (8)

IF/OF Chris Taylor (R) $6,700,000
IF Zach McKinstry (L)
C Austin Barnes (R) $1,750,000 (Arb est)
IF Matt Beaty (L)
OF D.J. Peters (R)
OF Luke Raley (L)
C Keibert Ruiz (S)
OF Cody Thomas (R)

Rotation: (5) $57,500,000
Bullpen: (8) $36,575,000
Lineup: (6) $85,501,000
Bench: (2) $8,450,000

Subtotal: (21) $188,026,000

Money Owed: $564,000 (Minnesota for Kenta Maeda)

0-3 Players: (6) $4,200,000 (est)

Other 40-man/CBA: $2,250,000
Players Benefits/CBA: $15,500,000

Grand Total: $210,540,000

[lamar2006]

pass on Suarez. He is another Joc who will hit the HR and strikeout the rest of the time. I prefer guys like Turner who will put the ball and play and get you 15-20 HR's over someone who may hit 30+ bombs and strike out 300+ times a year and have a 220-.240 batting average. Wouldn't be opposed to having Smith develop into a 3rd baseman. We probably have the best catching prospects and eventually 2-3 years from now they will become our starter. Gotta find room for the other ones to play.

[bkt42]

pass on Suarez. He is another Joc who will hit the HR and strikeout the rest of the time. I prefer guys like Turner who will put the ball and play and get you 15-20 HR's over someone who may hit 30+ bombs and strike out 300+ times a year and have a 220-.240 batting average. Wouldn't be opposed to having Smith develop into a 3rd baseman. We probably have the best catching prospects and eventually 2-3 years from now they will become our starter. Gotta find room for the other ones to play.

He is a career .261 hitter and basing his average on the short-seasons pandemic year is as absurd as saying Cody Bellinger is a .240 hitter. In full seasons, Suarez has hit .248/.260/.283/.271; none of them has even remotely approached between .220 and .240.

What is even better is he has an above average on-base mark, despite striking out a ton. He put up a .367/.366/.358 mark over those three years prior to last season. Couple that with the fact that he absolutely crushes LHP, something our lineup is sorely missing.

Of course I would rather have Turner, but not at 36-years old where his decline is imminent and certainly not for multiple years at much more salary.

Despite the obvious that my proposed trade was also to net Castillo and Garrett; Suarez would be a 9.5 million cap hit over the next 4 years during his age 29-32 seasons. I would jump all over that.

JT is going to get a 3/50 minimum offer and it most certainly SHOULD NOT come from us.....

[GibbyIsMyHero]

bkt42 - solid analysis and I’m mostly in agreement.

I like Suarez too. My only concern with high k-rates is that those guys will fall off a shelf as their bat speeds start to slow, but Eugenio is still young and that shouldn’t be a problem for the remainder of his contract. 2020 peripheral data does give me some concerns in that regard, but his contract and plus side is a huge win if he can round back to form.

Ramirez would be my guy though if I’m targeting a trade - he’s older and likely pricier in terms of a return package, but he’s also the more solid bet.

What would you think about holding onto our youngsters and plugging that hole with CT3 or Semien?

[USCFOOTBALL]

I'm kinda pissed they missed out on Yates and Hendriks.

[WhiteShadow42]

I'm in the choice of resigning Turner, as he is the heart and soul of this team. He could be the full time DH and have Taylor play 3rd. He has a good arm. He had a decent year last year. What do you guys think?

[bkt42]

Well, like Friedman already let out of the bag, the Dodgers need a RH bat in the worse way.

One could argue they needed one even with Turner, and now they are minus him and Hernandez.

The two guys in line for more PT are both LHB's in Edwin Rios and Zack McKinstry.

It doesn't help that the RH bats we do have stunk up the joint vs LHP last season, albeit a shortened affair:

Betts hit .200/.313/.218/.531
Taylor hit .200/.333/.360/.693

even JT was way off his norm:

Turner hit .234/.362/.383/.745

Smith was ok, but none of his 8 homers were against a lefty.

The one righty who raked against LHP was Pollock, only for him to disappear again in the postseason...

I am fine bringing Turner back, but I dont go more than 2 years with him- even if they approve the DH.

Semien has had one good year in his career, but does hit LH rather well as his OPS is some 90 pts higher against southpaws, so for the right price since he is an above average defender I would consider it.

Ramirez is option one, but I just dont think the Indians are moving him.
Bryant would be nice, but it is a one year commitment and only complicates our "who we give 30 to" future decisions
Arenado isn't getting moved inside the division and is owed way too much money

So that leaves Suarez, but I am only majorly interested if we can pry at least Garrett, but more desirable Castillo from them in a prospect package deal.

Undoubtedly though, Marcell Ozuna (who is only 30) is the one guy who would do absolute wonders for this team.

If they approved the DH, it would still give us plenty of options. Muncy, Bellinger, Taylor, Rios, McKinstry and possibly even Smith could handle the corner infield spots and you would have Ozuna's RH bat in the lineup all the time with Betts.

Just not sure what his price will be.

Anyway you slice it, we need to bring in AT LEAST one more RH bat

[bkt42]

Go for broke this season and bring in the trifecta of Bauer, Ozuna and Hand....(as well as a one year $1 million deal with Jake McGee)

Rotation:

RHP Trevor Bauer
LHP Clayton Kershaw
RHP Walker Buehler
LHP Julio Urias
RHP Dustin May
LHP David Price

Bullpen:

RHP Kenley Jansen
LHP Brad Hand
RHP Corey Knebel
LHP Victor Gonzalez
RHP Blake Treinen
LHP Jake McGee
RHP Joe Kelly
LHP Scott Alexander
RHP Tony Gonsolin
LHP Adam Kolarek

Lineup:

RF Mookie Betts (R)
SS Corey Seager (L)
DH Marcell Ozuna (R)
CF Cody Bellinger (L)
C Will Smith (R)
1B Max Muncy (L)
LF A.J. Pollock (R)
3B Edwin Rios (L)
2B Gavin Lux (L)


Bench:

2B/3B Chris Taylor (R)
2B/3B Zach McKinstry (L)
C Austin Barnes (R)
1B/PH Matt Beaty (L)
OF/PH D.J. Peters (R)
C Keibert Ruiz (S)




Not happening...but wow!