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  1. #1606
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    prob pretty decent. porzingis is very similar to bargs. I think he would have developed better in the modern NBA too and in a better organization.
    I share the same opinion. In the modern nba he would have been developed toward his strengths, instead of highlighting his weaknesses.

    Iíll never forget the season they wouldnt let him shoot 3ís. Like wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Ever since we got Birch the team just looks tougher to beat. Itís not like heís an elite big but heís bringing so much more to the table at 5 than anything we tried all season. Add the fact that we can make some off-season moves, and add talent through the draf, + the team could come home, I think itís going to be a nice bounce back year.
    Agreed.

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    Raptors should have never have given up JV because look at his numbers ever since he has left Toronto and joined Memphis...guy is practically putting up double doubles every game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tg11 View Post
    Raptors should have never have given up JV because look at his numbers ever since he has left Toronto and joined Memphis...guy is practically putting up double doubles every game
    Can't believe we traded him for a championship...

    I do miss JV. But we won a championship by dealing all those young players. No regrets....

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    Love JV but yea, we probably don't win without Marc. I'm not losing sleep.

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    I think we all assumed it would go down like this. JV was good, just not the team defender we needed.

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    im more upset about losing Poeltl tbh. I wonder if we could have given up someone else in that Kawhi trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    im more upset about losing Poeltl tbh. I wonder if we could have given up someone else in that Kawhi trade.
    I think doing that trade without losing Pascal or OG was an absolute steal. Between the 3, Poetl would be the one I'd choose to lose. Still, it would be nice to have him right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    I share the same opinion. In the modern nba he would have been developed toward his strengths, instead of highlighting his weaknesses.

    Iíll never forget the season they wouldnt let him shoot 3ís. Like wtf?
    He was def better suited for this era. But he had terrible ball iq and couldnít rebound for his life so I think he would still just be a big that can spread the floor and thatís about it. The biggest problem with Barfs was always between the ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    im more upset about losing Poeltl tbh. I wonder if we could have given up someone else in that Kawhi trade.
    Or how about a S&T for Murray & JP for Lowry and our first rounder

    Murray - Flynn
    FVV - GTJ
    OG - Yuta
    Siakam - Boucher
    JP- Birch- Gillespie


    I know the spurs wouldnít do it lol, one can dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    I share the same opinion. In the modern nba he would have been developed toward his strengths, instead of highlighting his weaknesses.

    Iíll never forget the season they wouldnt let him shoot 3ís. Like wtf?
    I'm not a huge Bargs fan but I think our organization, coaching and management failed him. I think he gets unfairly criticized (to a certain degree) by the fanbase.

    We tried to turn him into something he is not and basically threw him under the bus when it failed. I think over time he just lost interest in basketball as a result.

    This might be an unpopular opinion but the Raptors were a garbage franchise before Masai got here. Careers died in Toronto.
    Last edited by ecart; 05-10-2021 at 12:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Or how about a S&T for Murray & JP for Lowry and our first rounder

    Murray - Flynn
    FVV - GTJ
    OG - Yuta
    Siakam - Boucher
    JP- Birch- Gillespie


    I know the spurs wouldnít do it lol, one can dream
    Of course they would do it. I wouldnít though.
    That 1st rounder has a ton of value dude. Rose was traded for a 2nd in this draft. Chicago made a bad trade and they will regret it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    I'm not a huge Bargs fan but I think our organization, coaching and management failed him. I think he gets unfairly criticized (to a certain degree) by the fanbase.

    We tried to turn him into something he is not and basically threw him under the bus when it failed. I think over time he just lost interest in basketball as a result.

    This might be an unpopular opinion but the Raptors were a garbage franchise before Masai got here. Careers died in Toronto.
    Outside of the drafting - absolutely agree. Colangelo did well on draft day though. Just didnít have the patience that has served MU so well since taking over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Outside of the drafting - absolutely agree. Colangelo did well on draft day though. Just didnít have the patience that has served MU so well since taking over.
    eh that's arguable. he just picked the safest consensus guy. hard to say how good of a drafter he is when players just fall into his lap. look how he traded up to get Fultz who was the "safe" pick.

    I don't think he has a bad eye for talent but his draft record is vastly overrated. His father and him also did a lot of shady stuff back then as well. It wasn't luck or scouting that got them Amare at 9.
    Last edited by ecart; 05-10-2021 at 03:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    eh that's arguable. he just picked the safest consensus guy. hard to say how good of a drafter he is when players just fall into his lap. look how he traded up to get Fultz who was the "safe" pick.

    I don't think he has a bad eye for talent but his draft record is vastly overrated. His father and him also did a lot of shady stuff back then as well. It wasn't luck or scouting that got them Amare at 9.
    Wtf happened with amare? I donít doubt that though. They thought they were the mafia family of basketball.

    JV wasnít a safe pick imo. Neither was derozan (who didnít prove much in college and still had a lot of work to do). Could you be a little more specific about his draft day luck? I find it hard to assign luck to a draft record when busts were chosen before and after our picks.

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