2021 Draft Discussion

[QQQ]

Just coming from a personal perspective: I hope the Eagles snag Jamin Davis from UK in the 3rd/4th round. He's going to be a player who's going to make a team very happy. I don't think he's a stud, but I think he's a strong rotational player who can start. UK's churned out some strong LB's lately. I'd like to see him here.

I’ll have to google this guy and watch some tape.

[QQQ]

Offensive lineman also seems to be pretty deep in this draft, though I think the eagles have some good potential there already. Mailata and Dillard at tackle (maybe one replaces LJ at RT?) then there’s herbig at OG that has impressed. Brooks, I feel like he can still be elite for another 3-4 years despite his age because he’s crazy about staying in good shape, then there’s also jack driscoll and Isaac seamalo (probably kelce’s replacement).

I mean, if there’s a guy high on their board that they just have to take, then do it, otherwise I would focus more on other positions and take a year seeing how this group develops

[QQQ]

Just coming from a personal perspective: I hope the Eagles snag Jamin Davis from UK in the 3rd/4th round. He's going to be a player who's going to make a team very happy. I don't think he's a stud, but I think he's a strong rotational player who can start. UK's churned out some strong LB's lately. I'd like to see him here.

I looked this guy up, not a lot of time studying him but dude he looks good..lol.. He’s got a 3rd/4th round grade on him? I’m all for it

[koldjerky]

Well that’s my thing. Development has been overlooked as a potential issue here. Because while I don’t trust howies evaluation when I look at how much we’ve struggled at WR for example that has to be development

When you see JJAW, reagor, Watkins and Hightower those are guys that performed at a high level in college. Why do they all come here and get worse

Ignore jefferson and metcalf

These guys all played well in college. And there was a concerning trend of these guys getting worse as the year went on like fulgham.

So idk if is ALL Howie. Or if maybe it was a combination. Howie choosing a good prospect but not the better prospect a la reagor over jefferson and THEN said prospect coming in here and not getting developed so he gets worse

I mean we’re these guys that much worse of prospects than desean and maclin? Avant- played well as well here under andy

Or agholor having his best season as a pro this past season. Ignore yardage dude jumped 7 whole yards per catch

So it just makes you wonder how much of it was development. Which is why I’m ok with JJAW getting a shot with a new coaching staff. You just never know

I’m going to be ignorant here.

OL and DL seem to develop pretty well on the Eagles while almost all the other positions seem to not, especially the WR as you’ve pointed out.

How much does coaching in the pro level really impact these guys? Like how possible was it that Metcalf or Jefferson come here and perform about as well as the guys the Eagles did draft did?

It just seems that ever since Maclin, the Eagles haven’t drafted any WR worthwhile but as you said NA is having a career year (secondary players have performed well too), is it more so Howie not being able to draft or ever since Reid left, Eagles have had terrible developmental coaching in these positions?

Basically, is it possible Howie actually isn’t bad at drafting, the Eagles just have been bad at developing? Howie has actually done well in certain areas like OL and we all say Stoutland is great. Just makes you wonder why so many coaches haven’t been able to develop certain positions here.


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[last stand]

Well all things are possible really. But player development and coaching is everything. It’s the difference between a QB succeeding or failing in the nfl. Where you go matters a ton

Now jefferson and metcalf were clearly the guys that should’ve been picked. But Minnesota with jefferson. Look at their WR development. Thielen, diggs, Jefferson

You could say well maybe they scout those positions well but that’s not the only part of it. I can confidently say if jefferson comes to Philly he does better than reagor but doesn’t do as well as he did in Philly

And to me that’s the answer in a nutshell. Howie isn’t picking the absolute best guys he could, but we also aren’t developing the guys he’s picking

Position coaches are everything because young players coming out of college get by on a lot of things but very few get by on technique. Someone like reagor is faster than 95% of the defensive players he’ll face and is likely bigger than 99% of the DBs he’ll face weight wise. Add that to free releases and you’ll see a guy kinda get by on just athleticism

In the nfl you need technique. There’s very few metcalf guys who are still more athletic than most at the nfl level. But metcalf has shown he can get taken out of the game if he’s matched up against a guy on his level athletically

We have great coaching on the OL. Mailata probably fails at most places and is likely out of the league. Stoutland has molded him into a potential pro bowler

But you have to account for players also just not being good enough.

So it’s both really. Position coaches matter a lot, development matters a lot for young players

But the player you pick matters as well. Howie hasn’t picked the better guy a lot. But that doesn’t mean the players he picked should all be failing. That’s where the poor player development comes in

Look at what Andy did with Maclin and desean, look at how all his WRs turn out playable in KC.

Development matters a lot as some of the guys on his roster at WR weren’t the obvious players

Or the eagles at TE. Look at how ertz, Rodgers, goedert all develop so well.

I could go on for days. GMs can have blind spot positions, coaching staffs can have weakness at positions in terms of development

I think what you’re seeing with guys like JJAW and reagor is that it’s both combining to make it look even worse

JJAW had a 2nd round grade. He wasn’t a complete reach. He ran a 4.5 he’s huge, he showed a lot in college. Is he really just that bad? Or was he not developed at all (keep in mind he was considered raw)

There’s no reason he shouldn’t have at least been serviceable. Like 2 catches a game at least lol

To me that’s the marriage. Shouldn’t have picked him over metcalf but the coaching made it even worse

Tannehill is probably to king example of this issue. Mahomes is another, he may have always been good but did a QB savant like Andy take that talent and maximize it to the fullest? Probably

[abelugawhale]

Offensive lineman also seems to be pretty deep in this draft, though I think the eagles have some good potential there already. Mailata and Dillard at tackle (maybe one replaces LJ at RT?) then there’s herbig at OG that has impressed. Brooks, I feel like he can still be elite for another 3-4 years despite his age because he’s crazy about staying in good shape, then there’s also jack driscoll and Isaac seamalo (probably kelce’s replacement).

I mean, if there’s a guy high on their board that they just have to take, then do it, otherwise I would focus more on other positions and take a year seeing how this group develops

Guy I was high on was Landon Dickerson until I saw how long the injury history was:
Played 7 games then missed the rest with a knee injury
Played 4 as a sophomore then missed the rest with injury
Played 2 games as a junior then missed the rest with an ankle injury
Torn up knee this year

A guy who I like is Daniel Faalele. 400 lb tackle from the Gophers, I imagine he could go inside to guard if needed

[QQQ]

Guy I was high on was Landon Dickerson until I saw how long the injury history was:
Played 7 games then missed the rest with a knee injury
Played 4 as a sophomore then missed the rest with injury
Played 2 games as a junior then missed the rest with an ankle injury
Torn up knee this year

A guy who I like is Daniel Faalele. 400 lb tackle from the Gophers, I imagine he could go inside to guard if needed

400 pounds? Holy **** bro! He’s 6’9 too, damn man. Who was that one offensive lineman for the eagles, he was super tall like 6’8 or 6’9? I remember he had a hard time getting his hands on bodies because of how tall he was, he got a lot of penalties because of it so I had a thing against super tall offensive lineman. Then mailata came around and he’s 6’8 so I guess it’s not super bad.

But yeah if they wanna grab a spec in the later rounds I’m cool with that but I’d like the earlier picks to be at other positions

[QQQ]

Well all things are possible really. But player development and coaching is everything. It’s the difference between a QB succeeding or failing in the nfl. Where you go matters a ton

Now jefferson and metcalf were clearly the guys that should’ve been picked. But Minnesota with jefferson. Look at their WR development. Thielen, diggs, Jefferson

You could say well maybe they scout those positions well but that’s not the only part of it. I can confidently say if jefferson comes to Philly he does better than reagor but doesn’t do as well as he did in Philly

And to me that’s the answer in a nutshell. Howie isn’t picking the absolute best guys he could, but we also aren’t developing the guys he’s picking

Position coaches are everything because young players coming out of college get by on a lot of things but very few get by on technique. Someone like reagor is faster than 95% of the defensive players he’ll face and is likely bigger than 99% of the DBs he’ll face weight wise. Add that to free releases and you’ll see a guy kinda get by on just athleticism

In the nfl you need technique. There’s very few metcalf guys who are still more athletic than most at the nfl level. But metcalf has shown he can get taken out of the game if he’s matched up against a guy on his level athletically

We have great coaching on the OL. Mailata probably fails at most places and is likely out of the league. Stoutland has molded him into a potential pro bowler

But you have to account for players also just not being good enough.

So it’s both really. Position coaches matter a lot, development matters a lot for young players

But the player you pick matters as well. Howie hasn’t picked the better guy a lot. But that doesn’t mean the players he picked should all be failing. That’s where the poor player development comes in

Look at what Andy did with Maclin and desean, look at how all his WRs turn out playable in KC.

Development matters a lot as some of the guys on his roster at WR weren’t the obvious players

Or the eagles at TE. Look at how ertz, Rodgers, goedert all develop so well.

I could go on for days. GMs can have blind spot positions, coaching staffs can have weakness at positions in terms of development

I think what you’re seeing with guys like JJAW and reagor is that it’s both combining to make it look even worse

JJAW had a 2nd round grade. He wasn’t a complete reach. He ran a 4.5 he’s huge, he showed a lot in college. Is he really just that bad? Or was he not developed at all (keep in mind he was considered raw)

There’s no reason he shouldn’t have at least been serviceable. Like 2 catches a game at least lol

To me that’s the marriage. Shouldn’t have picked him over metcalf but the coaching made it even worse

Tannehill is probably to king example of this issue. Mahomes is another, he may have always been good but did a QB savant like Andy take that talent and maximize it to the fullest? Probably

But did Andy have more input on the desean Jackson and Jeremy maclin picks? I feel like after Andy left, howie became “the man” in luries eyes.

[last stand]

I believe maclin was drafted before howie became GM

I was moreso saying that Andy develops WRs well

I mean he got the absolute most outta guys like Todd pinkston

[papirico52]

Great discussion here guys, it's completely logical given players thriving elsewhere, in that case a complete overhaul was in order indeed.

[abelugawhale]

A guy to look for in the second and who was probably mentioned at some point is Nick Bolton (assuming Moses is gone) I just got around to watching him and dude is an absolute beast. I know someone on here referenced the name, but I don't remember who to give credit to

[Kobe1016]

Chase, Sewell, and Parsons all took this year off. I have no issues with that.

[Kobe1016]

Bolton is an outside linebacker who thrives in open space. he will likely be drafted in the late 1st. Most draft board have him rank higher then Moses.

[QQQ]

I believe maclin was drafted before howie became GM

I was moreso saying that Andy develops WRs well

I mean he got the absolute most outta guys like Todd pinkston

Yeah I get what you’re saying. This next group of coaches should do well with WRs. Sirianni especially seems like he does pretty good with his WRs

[BDawk4Prez]

I’m #TeamPitts at this point.