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  1. #136
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    I know you guys have talked about Kwity Paye......have you also talked about Jayson Oweh? When you run in the 4.3s at 250+ you get some attention............and if we were to cut Barr loose...

    tho I did have this weird dream where we sent Cousins, Mattison, our 1st and 3rd rd picks to Houston for Desean, which would tweak our draft thoughts a tad
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    The one thing I know from watching last nights game is that a mobile QB will not make our offense any better lol. That being said, I still think we need to go DL or OL in the first. Watching how TB just controlled the game on both sides of the ball but really won it off that front 4 pressure makes me want to go DE or DT. I'm still very open to trading back to pick up an extra pick to try and get back into the second. Or depending on how far back we get that extra second.

    I'm still enamored with Greg Rousseau and his extremely high ceiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacofunk64 View Post
    The one thing I know from watching last nights game is that a mobile QB will not make our offense any better lol. That being said, I still think we need to go DL or OL in the first. Watching how TB just controlled the game on both sides of the ball but really won it off that front 4 pressure makes me want to go DE or DT. I'm still very open to trading back to pick up an extra pick to try and get back into the second. Or depending on how far back we get that extra second.

    I'm still enamored with Greg Rousseau and his extremely high ceiling.
    Its incredible what ****** Olines do to elite QBs isn't it? That game just enforced my belief that we need to go Oline heavy early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacofunk64 View Post
    The one thing I know from watching last nights game is that a mobile QB will not make our offense any better lol. That being said, I still think we need to go DL or OL in the first. Watching how TB just controlled the game on both sides of the ball but really won it off that front 4 pressure makes me want to go DE or DT. I'm still very open to trading back to pick up an extra pick to try and get back into the second. Or depending on how far back we get that extra second.

    I'm still enamored with Greg Rousseau and his extremely high ceiling.
    Quote Originally Posted by nessythegreat View Post
    Its incredible what ****** Olines do to elite QBs isn't it? That game just enforced my belief that we need to go Oline heavy early.
    Just for comparison sake, Cousins (46%) and Mahomes (48%) each faced nearly the exact same pressure % against Tampa. Kirk had a solid game, accounted for 266 total yards (225 passing, 41 rushing) and a TD. We lost by 12 and Dan Bailey missed FG's of 36, 54, and 46 yards. Nobody will say it because he made some incredible throws at awkward angles but Mahomes played bad last night.

    We can spend 99% of our picks on the OL for all I care but we better find a way to get Christian Barmore on this team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    Just for comparison sake, Cousins (46%) and Mahomes (48%) each faced nearly the exact same pressure % against Tampa. Kirk had a solid game, accounted for 266 total yards (225 passing, 41 rushing) and a TD. We lost by 12 and Dan Bailey missed FG's of 36, 54, and 46 yards. Nobody will say it because he made some incredible throws at awkward angles but Mahomes played bad last night.

    We can spend 99% of our picks on the OL for all I care but we better find a way to get Christian Barmore on this team.
    Mahomes had a little taste of what Cousins has to go through lol And I think that shows how good this team could be if we just get better play from certain areas on the team. I really don't believe we are as far away from contending as others think.
    Another DT I like and we may be looking at is Levi Onwuzurike from Washington. He seems to fit that smaller, penetrating DT in the mold of Geno Atkins and Sharrif Floyd that Zimmer likes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    Just for comparison sake, Cousins (46%) and Mahomes (48%) each faced nearly the exact same pressure % against Tampa. Kirk had a solid game, accounted for 266 total yards (225 passing, 41 rushing) and a TD. We lost by 12 and Dan Bailey missed FG's of 36, 54, and 46 yards. Nobody will say it because he made some incredible throws at awkward angles but Mahomes played bad last night.

    We can spend 99% of our picks on the OL for all I care but we better find a way to get Christian Barmore on this team.
    Oh I've been preaching it that Pat not only played terrible but he put himself in a lot of those situations. He for sure was not used to it and that game the OL had a 42% PB win rate which was their worst since 2010. Example of what Kirk has to deal with...he had 3 of those games last year alone!! ATL, INDY & DET...got blown out in two of those and somehow one the DET game.

    I told you guys that every week I will likely fall in love with someone new...I did some more reading of Jalen Mayfield and he would be another great fit in that he can play inside or outside. He projects to have an even higher ceiling on the inside.

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    Jalen Mayfield - TDN report

    PROSPECT SUMMARY - JALEN MAYFIELD
    Jalen Mayfield projects as a high-quality starting offensive lineman at the NFL level. He’s got ample size and athleticism to play in space in pass protection and with just two years of starting experience under his belt, Mayfield is only going to continue to get better with more repetitions. Mayfield showed impressive improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 after facing a murderer’s row of pass rushes in his first season as a starter in 2019, having to block top-50 picks Yetur Gross-Matos and Chase Young while also having to handle other prominent pass rushers such as Anfernee Jennings, Jayson Oweh, Shaka Toney, Terrell Lewis, Khalid Kareem, Julian Okwara, and others. Mayfield endured a baptism by fire as a college starter but the physical tools and raw athleticism were undeniable. Complicating Mayfield’s 2021 projection is an even smaller sample size than the abbreviated 2020 Big Ten season—Mayfield played in just two games this season and will enter the pros with 15 starts under his belt at Michigan. But Mayfield was dominant and looked like a much more refined prospect in 2020; so much so that I’m pushing my chips into the table on this one. I think Mayfield is a high-level right tackle prospect who could be trained to switch sides and play on the left or, alternatively, be left to continue to grow on the right side. His athletic profile and build wouldn’t hinder him from a transition to guard either—in case his small sample size of strong play isn’t sustainable and he struggles at the NFL level on the outside. Given his physical skills and the multiple avenues to get on the field, I’m betting Mayfield ends up a big hit in the pros.

    Ideal Role: Starting offensive tackle (could play either side, high-ceiling OG, as well).

    Scheme Fit: Scheme transcendent talent.

    FILM EVALUATION
    Written by Kyle Crabbs

    Games watched: Notre Dame (2019), Iowa (2019), Penn State (2019), Ohio State (2019), Alabama (2019), Minnesota (2020), Michigan State (2020)

    Best Game Studied: Michigan State (2020)

    Worst Game Studied: Ohio State (2019)

    Balance: Mayfield is a very good mover and carries his frame with grace and agility—there’s going to be plenty of reps that flash at you in both short spaces and when climbing to the second level or working out to the perimeter. Foot speed really aids his ability to play with suddenness and fluidity and regardless of what area and direction he’s attacking, he’ll likely be the most natural mover on the line in doing so. The lapses here in 2019 stemmed from a feel of spacing, not necessarily any physical restrictions; but he looked much more consistent in two games in 2020.

    Pass Sets: There was little choice but to grow up in a hurry here when you consider the slate of teams and pass rushers he’s tackled in his 15 career starts. Mayfield offers the ability to set short with quickness or get vertical with ease. He’s still ironing out and perfecting his angles out of his stance to drive and widen corners for outside rushers with consistency but his base is really strong and if he does have lapses, he’ll flip his hips clean and ride rushers out past the peak of the pocket.

    Competitive Toughness: This is an explosive athlete and he’s capable of generating a ton of force in short spaces—a physically imposing presence that pairs power with quickness and can overwhelm blockers if he’s got a built in angle at the snap. Relentless push up the field to wash out space for his ball carriers to press the LOS and he’s capable of absorbing power rushes effectively as well. The sample size of 2020 illustrated a player with a firm base, powerful hands, and effective control to impose his will.

    Lateral Mobility: You want to pull him out on GT sweep? He can do that. You want him to run backside cutoff on wide/outside zone? He can do that. You want him to drive inside and pick up a late-developing stunt? He can do that. You want him to step down on pin and pull? He can do that, too. Athletically speaking, he’s so gifted for his stature and makes it look easy to redirect 320 pounds. As he continues to refine his feet, he’ll be even more effective in short-space agility.

    Length: Mayfield will meet NFL thresholds for length at offensive tackle without an issue. He’s not the longest tackle we’ve seen pass through the process, but his wingspan, when paired with the movement skills he can provide, will offer plenty of influence to string out rushers on the edge. He does offer effective power in his hands and upper body and does well to manipulate defenders at extension, torquing or pressing them out of a gap.

    Football IQ: He’s still green and that’s the scary part of all of this. He did appear to take a big step forward in 2020 after feeling his way through the 2019 campaign and improving throughout the course of the season. He’s not immune from an errant punch or a misframed set on the edge, but when you extrapolate his traits and consider the improvement he’s already shown with how much more he can improve with added experience, it is easy to get excited about the projection and the forecast.

    Hand Technique: This was the big area I was interested in seeing this season and his two games appeared clean in this regard. He offers a ton of punch power and kept things inside the strike zone with consistency and furthermore did well to manipulate defenders after setting the hands and sustaining his blocks.

    Anchor Ability: Hinge through the hips will allow Mayfield to sit down on power rushes and his balance and foot quickness should afford him the chance to “snap” back into a firm base if he’s caught untethered at first contact. His strike timing will make rolling through his pads even more challenging as he becomes savvier and experienced in hand usage and keeping rushers guessing with his stun punch.

    Power at P.O.A.: He's capable of washing down the entirety of the line when stepping down on a double before climbing to backers. He’s quite dynamic here and his vertical releases will reset the line of scrimmage nearly every time. He’s a mauler against smaller defenders, too—he’ll take advantage of opportunities to discard and ride a defender to the ground. Mayfield illustrates a tenacious finishing mentality and brings the feet through contact methodically.

    Versatility: I think he’s capable of playing either side of the line of scrimmage, you could cross-train him into playing left tackle and he’ll have the physical ability to do that at a high level, too. I also think teams that may be set at tackle but want to improve their line play could make use of him at guard and he’d be even more dominant there—he’s a clean puller who has good pad level and leverage and his ability to play in space or climb to the B-level would be even further amplified inside.

    Prospect Comparison: Jedrick Wills (2020 NFL Draft, Cleveland Browns)

    SCOUT GRADES
    TDN Consensus: To Be Determined

    Kyle Crabbs: 85.5/100

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacofunk64 View Post
    Oh I've been preaching it that Pat not only played terrible but he put himself in a lot of those situations. He for sure was not used to it and that game the OL had a 42% PB win rate which was their worst since 2010. Example of what Kirk has to deal with...he had 3 of those games last year alone!! ATL, INDY & DET...got blown out in two of those and somehow one the DET game.

    I told you guys that every week I will likely fall in love with someone new...I did some more reading of Jalen Mayfield and he would be another great fit in that he can play inside or outside. He projects to have an even higher ceiling on the inside.
    Trade back in the first a little bit, pick up some extra picks and take Mayfield or Vera-Tucker.. I'm all for it.

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    PFF's Mike Renner was on Matthew Coller's podcast and talked about how he mocked Barmore to the Vikings. He said Barmore is by far the best pass rushing DT in this class and said he's in the same class as Brown and Kinlaw from last year. Brown went 7th and Kinlaw 14th. I would prefer to just grab Barmore at 14 if he's there. We can always package some picks and move up from the 3rd round to get back into the 2nd.

    The 2nd/3rd round seems like the sweet spot to find interior OL. Right now TDN has 8 guards inside the top 83 and 12 OT's inside the top 92. Dan Brugler has 4 OT's and 2 guards in his top 32 and 6 OT's and 9 interior lineman from 32-100. Total that's 10 OT's and 11 interior players in the top 100 or 21% of his top prospects. Seems like a good draft to wait on a lineman. Trade up in the 2nd round for somebody like Dillon Radunz or Jackson Carman.
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    1: Jeff Gladney CB TCU
    2: Ezra Cleveland OT Boise State
    3: Cameron Dantzler CB Mississippi State
    4: D.J. Wonnum DE South Carolina
    4: James Lynch DT Baylor
    4: Troy Dye LB Oregon
    5: Harrison Hand CB Temple
    5: K.J. Osborn WR Miami
    6: Blake Brandel OT Oregon State
    6: Josh Metellus S Michigan
    7: Kenny Willekes DE Michigan State
    7: Nate Stanley QB Iowa
    7: Brian Cole S Mississippi State
    7: Kyle Hinton G Washburn

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    I'm intrigued with Carman...sounds like a move to Guard is his best spot in the NFL. Very big and powerful guy. 6'5" 345.

    Radunz seems a little small for guard but not real sure. I'd prefer we move Cleveland to tackle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nessythegreat View Post
    Trade back in the first a little bit, pick up some extra picks and take Mayfield or Vera-Tucker.. I'm all for it.
    Yep if we could trade back a few, pick up an extra 3rd. Then package a few picks to move up into 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    PFF's Mike Renner was on Matthew Coller's podcast and talked about how he mocked Barmore to the Vikings. He said Barmore is by far the best pass rushing DT in this class and said he's in the same class as Brown and Kinlaw from last year. Brown went 7th and Kinlaw 14th. I would prefer to just grab Barmore at 14 if he's there. We can always package some picks and move up from the 3rd round to get back into the 2nd.

    The 2nd/3rd round seems like the sweet spot to find interior OL. Right now TDN has 8 guards inside the top 83 and 12 OT's inside the top 92. Dan Brugler has 4 OT's and 2 guards in his top 32 and 6 OT's and 9 interior lineman from 32-100. Total that's 10 OT's and 11 interior players in the top 100 or 21% of his top prospects. Seems like a good draft to wait on a lineman. Trade up in the 2nd round for somebody like Dillon Radunz or Jackson Carman.

    I have been waffling looking at draft prospects the last few weeks trying to figure out what I would want them to do and I have convinced myself the Vikes only go one of 2 ways in round. 1: Dline 2:trade down or out. I think we Keep Reiff and fill RG in FA or later rounds and move Cleveland to LG for a season where he can develop and get a bit stronger before and easier transition kicking over to Lt in 2022.

    I don't usually like Bama players but I think I watched enough tape to tell me Barmore is the guys we will/should take at 14 if he is there. I think Rosseau is the forbidden fruit that intrigues me more than anyone else in round 1 but with Barmore I think we solidify the middle of the line with Pearce and Barmore and will fill a bigger immediate need than DE since they are far less effective when the DTs are giving ground for a step up or the run game is eating you up.

    If we Trade down/out of round 1 to pick up a 2nd I think the target should be Daviyon Nixon

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jorge 69 View Post
    I have been waffling looking at draft prospects the last few weeks trying to figure out what I would want them to do and I have convinced myself the Vikes only go one of 2 ways in round. 1: Dline 2:trade down or out. I think we Keep Reiff and fill RG in FA or later rounds and move Cleveland to LG for a season where he can develop and get a bit stronger before and easier transition kicking over to Lt in 2022.

    I don't usually like Bama players but I think I watched enough tape to tell me Barmore is the guys we will/should take at 14 if he is there. I think Rosseau is the forbidden fruit that intrigues me more than anyone else in round 1 but with Barmore I think we solidify the middle of the line with Pearce and Barmore and will fill a bigger immediate need than DE since they are far less effective when the DTs are giving ground for a step up or the run game is eating you up.

    If we Trade down/out of round 1 to pick up a 2nd I think the target should be Daviyon Nixon
    I am enamored with Rosseau as he is one physically imposing dude. Some on twitter don't like him at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacofunk64 View Post
    I am enamored with Rosseau as he is one physically imposing dude. Some on twitter don't like him at all.
    I kinda secretly want him over anyone else.

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    Guys I like that could likely be there at 14, no particular order:
    Barmore
    Rosseau
    Paye
    Slater
    Vera-Tucker
    Mayfield
    Cosmi

    Some of those could still be had by trade back but those are the main guys I have been liking. There are a few other OL and DL prospects as well.

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