2021 NFL Draft Discussion Thread

[vikingsfan0845]

Quick mock off season:

Cut:

Riley Reiff
Kyle Rudolph
Shamar Stephen

Extend:
Harrison Smith (an extension for Smith also lowers his 2021 cap hit)
Brian O'Neill

Restructure/Pay Cut:
Anthony Barr

Sign:
S Malik Hooker
G Jon Feliciano
WR John Ross

Draft:
Using TDN's draft simulator, I traded back from 14 to 24 with the Steelers and acquired their 2nd round pick (56). I took Christian Barmore at 24. I then traded up from 56 to 36 and got Wyatt Davis. I also traded up from the 4th round back into the 3rd to get DE Patrick Jones from Pitt.

Full Draft (only went 4 rounds):
24. Christian Barmore IDL, Alabama
36. Wyatt Davis IOL, Ohio State
78. Andre Cisco S, Syracuse
95. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh
124. Ambry Thomas CB, Michigan
134. Alaric Jackson OT, Iowa
142. Garret Wallow LB, TCU

QB: Kirk Cousins
RB: Dalvin Cook, Alexander Mattison
FB: C.J. Ham
WR: Adam Thielen, John Ross
WR: Justin Jefferson, Bisi Johnson
TE: Irv Smith, Tyler Conklin
LT: Ezra Cleveland
LG: Jon Feliciano
C: Garrett Bradbury
RG: Wyatt Davis
RT: Brian O'Neill

DE: Danielle Hunter, Patrick Jones
DT: Christian Barmore
DT: Michael Pierce, Armon Watts
DE: Ifeadi Odenigbo/D.J. Wonnum
LB: Anthony Barr
LB: Eric Kendricks
LB: Troy Dye
CB: Cam Dantzler, Ambry Thomas
CB: Jeff Gladney, Mike Hughes
Nickel: Jeff Gladney
S: Harrison Smith
S: Malik Hooker/Andre Cisco

[nessythegreat]

Quick mock off season:

Cut:

Riley Reiff
Kyle Rudolph
Shamar Stephen

Extend:
Harrison Smith (an extension for Smith also lowers his 2021 cap hit)
Brian O'Neill

Restructure/Pay Cut:
Anthony Barr

Sign:
S Malik Hooker
G Jon Feliciano
WR John Ross

Draft:
Using TDN's draft simulator, I traded back from 14 to 24 with the Steelers and acquired their 2nd round pick (56). I took Christian Barmore at 24. I then traded up from 56 to 36 and got Wyatt Davis. I also traded up from the 4th round back into the 3rd to get DE Patrick Jones from Pitt.

Full Draft (only went 4 rounds):
24. Christian Barmore IDL, Alabama
36. Wyatt Davis IOL, Ohio State
78. Andre Cisco S, Syracuse
95. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh
124. Ambry Thomas CB, Michigan
134. Alaric Jackson OT, Iowa
142. Garret Wallow LB, TCU

QB: Kirk Cousins
RB: Dalvin Cook, Alexander Mattison
FB: C.J. Ham
WR: Adam Thielen, John Ross
WR: Justin Jefferson, Bisi Johnson
TE: Irv Smith, Tyler Conklin
LT: Ezra Cleveland
LG: Jon Feliciano
C: Garrett Bradbury
RG: Wyatt Davis
RT: Brian O'Neill

DE: Danielle Hunter, Patrick Jones
DT: Christian Barmore
DT: Michael Pierce, Armon Watts
DE: Ifeadi Odenigbo/D.J. Wonnum
LB: Anthony Barr
LB: Eric Kendricks
LB: Troy Dye
CB: Cam Dantzler, Ambry Thomas
CB: Jeff Gladney, Mike Hughes
Nickel: Jeff Gladney
S: Harrison Smith
S: Malik Hooker/Andre Cisco

I dig it man. Would love it if this is what happens. Two high picks to shore up our greatest weaknesses and getting Hooker would be an absolute steal in my book.

[vikingsfan0845]

I dig it man. Would love it if this is what happens. Two high picks to shore up our greatest weaknesses and getting Hooker would be an absolute steal in my book.

Hooker is at the top of my wish list. Since Spielman is likely going to have limited cap space to use on FA's I'm hoping for goes for a few high risk/high upside signings. Hooker is exactly that. The talent is there but he can just never stay healthy. His price tag should be pretty low. A 1 year prove it deal would be perfect for both sides. Plus there are a few pretty good safeties on the market this year so he might fly under the radar.

[natelpete]

Vikings need to stop looking for what the prototypical is for a said position. I get why you do but god damn, at some point you just get good players who can play. That is why our OL sucks at pass protection but yet is so good at run blocking. I can't help but envision the second coming of the Williams wall with Barmore and Pierce.

Barmore destroyed Wyatt Davis a few times while rushing the passer. I wanted to watch more of that match up but Davis got hurt.

Thanks for the reports Paco. I usually buy Jordan Reid's scouting reports so I'll post some of those later when he puts it out. I know he's part of the draft network now but I think he still does his own, too. Barmore sounds intriguing and I think getting our defense back in the top 5 should be the priority this offseason.

[VCU4LIFEGOVIKS]

Vikings need to stop looking for what the prototypical is for a said position. I get why you do but god damn, at some point you just get good players who can play. That is why our OL sucks at pass protection but yet is so good at run blocking. I can't help but envision the second coming of the Williams wall with Barmore and Pierce.

Barmore destroyed Wyatt Davis a few times while rushing the passer. I wanted to watch more of that match up but Davis got hurt.

I knew it was bad but never realized it was quite this bad:

2014: 72.4 (23rd)
2015: 67.9 (28th)
2016: 64.7 (30th)
2017: 71.9 (17th)
2018: 63.6 (27th)
2019: 63.0 (27th)
2020: 55.5 (29th)

One mediocre year in seven is horrible.

I think we need to sign a veteran guard with excellent pass protecting skills and also find one early in the draft. This team has so many needs right now that we will have to hit on all of the early draft picks and also make a few splashes in free agency. We can't address all these needs just through the draft.

[vikingsfan0845]

So here's something that shocked me. Ifeadi Odenigbo was near the top of the league in double teams. He's in the same group as guys like Chase Young, Bradley Chubb, and Brandon Graham. Might explain why he didn't get much pressure on the QB this year.

[vikingsfan0845]

Some next gen stats from ESPN:

Top 10 OT Run Block Win Rate: Brian O'Neill #1
Team Pass Rush Win Rate: Vikings 30th at 36%
Team Run Stop Win Rate: Vikings dead last at 24%
Team Pass Block Win Rate: Vikings surprisingly at 18th (56%)
Team Run Block Win Rate: Vikings 21st at 70%

[mngopher35]

Quick mock off season:

Cut:

Riley Reiff
Kyle Rudolph
Shamar Stephen

Extend:
Harrison Smith (an extension for Smith also lowers his 2021 cap hit)
Brian O'Neill

Restructure/Pay Cut:
Anthony Barr

Sign:
S Malik Hooker
G Jon Feliciano
WR John Ross

Draft:
Using TDN's draft simulator, I traded back from 14 to 24 with the Steelers and acquired their 2nd round pick (56). I took Christian Barmore at 24. I then traded up from 56 to 36 and got Wyatt Davis. I also traded up from the 4th round back into the 3rd to get DE Patrick Jones from Pitt.

Full Draft (only went 4 rounds):
24. Christian Barmore IDL, Alabama
36. Wyatt Davis IOL, Ohio State
78. Andre Cisco S, Syracuse
95. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh
124. Ambry Thomas CB, Michigan
134. Alaric Jackson OT, Iowa
142. Garret Wallow LB, TCU

QB: Kirk Cousins
RB: Dalvin Cook, Alexander Mattison
FB: C.J. Ham
WR: Adam Thielen, John Ross
WR: Justin Jefferson, Bisi Johnson
TE: Irv Smith, Tyler Conklin
LT: Ezra Cleveland
LG: Jon Feliciano
C: Garrett Bradbury
RG: Wyatt Davis
RT: Brian O'Neill

DE: Danielle Hunter, Patrick Jones
DT: Christian Barmore
DT: Michael Pierce, Armon Watts
DE: Ifeadi Odenigbo/D.J. Wonnum
LB: Anthony Barr
LB: Eric Kendricks
LB: Troy Dye
CB: Cam Dantzler, Ambry Thomas
CB: Jeff Gladney, Mike Hughes
Nickel: Jeff Gladney
S: Harrison Smith
S: Malik Hooker/Andre Cisco

Without any big shakeups I think this is a pretty nice offseason for us, really like the first two picks if they are as good as some say.

I, like last offseason, am more of a let's shake it up and move on from Cousins type but my guess is we don't go that route and if not something like the above is how I would like to see things go. Not sure where the QB's in the draft end up going but I think there are a couple intriguing options and I like Fields enough to move up if possible too. I personally think we are kinda maxed out at a playoff team that might win a game with Kirk/our limited cap but I could at least get excited for a roster like you show above next season.

[pacofunk64]

So here's something that shocked me. Ifeadi Odenigbo was near the top of the league in double teams. He's in the same group as guys like Chase Young, Bradley Chubb, and Brandon Graham. Might explain why he didn't get much pressure on the QB this year.

Makes sense, since he was the only one that teams were likely somewhat concerned in regards to pass rush. You add Hunter back and Pierce and that will allow the other guys to get more single blocking. They could excel again but I still want to see Paye in purple.

[pacofunk64]

Quick mock off season:

Cut:

Riley Reiff
Kyle Rudolph
Shamar Stephen

Extend:
Harrison Smith (an extension for Smith also lowers his 2021 cap hit)
Brian O'Neill

Restructure/Pay Cut:
Anthony Barr

Sign:
S Malik Hooker
G Jon Feliciano
WR John Ross

Draft:
Using TDN's draft simulator, I traded back from 14 to 24 with the Steelers and acquired their 2nd round pick (56). I took Christian Barmore at 24. I then traded up from 56 to 36 and got Wyatt Davis. I also traded up from the 4th round back into the 3rd to get DE Patrick Jones from Pitt.

Full Draft (only went 4 rounds):
24. Christian Barmore IDL, Alabama
36. Wyatt Davis IOL, Ohio State
78. Andre Cisco S, Syracuse
95. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh
124. Ambry Thomas CB, Michigan
134. Alaric Jackson OT, Iowa
142. Garret Wallow LB, TCU

QB: Kirk Cousins
RB: Dalvin Cook, Alexander Mattison
FB: C.J. Ham
WR: Adam Thielen, John Ross
WR: Justin Jefferson, Bisi Johnson
TE: Irv Smith, Tyler Conklin
LT: Ezra Cleveland
LG: Jon Feliciano
C: Garrett Bradbury
RG: Wyatt Davis
RT: Brian O'Neill

DE: Danielle Hunter, Patrick Jones
DT: Christian Barmore
DT: Michael Pierce, Armon Watts
DE: Ifeadi Odenigbo/D.J. Wonnum
LB: Anthony Barr
LB: Eric Kendricks
LB: Troy Dye
CB: Cam Dantzler, Ambry Thomas
CB: Jeff Gladney, Mike Hughes
Nickel: Jeff Gladney
S: Harrison Smith
S: Malik Hooker/Andre Cisco

This would be an ideal off season. Don't lose much but add some key piece fill ins with potential long term replacements. I would not be mad at all with this lol

[vikingsfan0845]

Makes sense, since he was the only one that teams were likely somewhat concerned in regards to pass rush. You add Hunter back and Pierce and that will allow the other guys to get more single blocking. They could excel again but I still want to see Paye in purple.

I want to see more of Paye. I watched his film against the Gophers and outside of a few plays late in the game when Michigan was up big, Paye didn't really impress me. It's obvious he's a good athlete but I don't think he's a top 10 pick.

[pacofunk64]

I want to see more of Paye. I watched his film against the Gophers and outside of a few plays late in the game when Michigan was up big, Paye didn't really impress me. It's obvious he's a good athlete but I don't think he's a top 10 pick.

I'm really torn because Rousseau is said to have an extremely high ceiling. I'm really open to just about anything at 14 to be honest. I'd be open to Barmore there as well. Someone recently said that some teams have Slater higher then the Oregon dude who some say isn't a for sure lock as a prospect.

If we hit up either of the lines or hell I'll be stoked.

[SiteWolf]

I'd love to see Kyle Pitts.......but if this past season showed us ANYthing, it showed us our D can't approach what we were even 2 years ago without a better pass rush.......tho it is a head scratcher to find out Ifeadi was double teamed so much

[vikingsfan0845]

I'm really torn because Rousseau is said to have an extremely high ceiling. I'm really open to just about anything at 14 to be honest. I'd be open to Barmore there as well. Someone recently said that some teams have Slater higher then the Oregon dude who some say isn't a for sure lock as a prospect.

If we hit up either of the lines or hell I'll be stoked.

I've been seeing the same about Slater. Not sure if he's better than Sewell but I'm not surprised to see teams are high on Slater. He's impressive.

Right now if I had to pick a player to draft at 14 it would be Barmore. Super talented with a high ceiling. His upside is probably on par or close to Paye and Rousseau. The Vikings have had success for years finding edge talent in the middle rounds so I'm fine with waiting there. 3T has been different. We desperately need some interior pressure.

[pacofunk64]

I've been seeing the same about Slater. Not sure if he's better than Sewell but I'm not surprised to see teams are high on Slater. He's impressive.

Right now if I had to pick a player to draft at 14 it would be Barmore. Super talented with a high ceiling. His upside is probably on par or close to Paye and Rousseau. The Vikings have had success for years finding edge talent in the middle rounds so I'm fine with waiting there. 3T has been different. We desperately need some interior pressure.

As much as I want to upgrade the iOL, we were still a top 5 offense. For sure some changes still need to happen there but I agree give me Barmore.

As an IA fan Daviyon Nixon surprised the hell out of me this year. I have not read too much to see where he is expected to go outside of Mel Kiper who has him like top 10. That might be a bit too much and a bit of an over reaction.