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    The Leftist Myth: Everyone Loves Our Policies!

    I keep seeing on this site that polls are very one sided. And how leftist policies don't get passed even though they have massive political approval. I thought I'd take some time to explain why this is a lot of times deceptive information. And really points to my problem with the far left. And after the outcry of more misinformation after Pelosi was unanimously elected speaker for another 2 years. I thought I'd give my take on at least one of the misleading claims I continuously see.

    No Medicare for all is not Massively liked over Everything Else

    This is so damn frustrating, and I constantly will see the same stupid national polling data that 75% of people want M4A "people like M4A and the corporations won't let you have it".

    This is such a deceptive claim and is saturated in ********. For the following reasons.

    1. These people will constantly point to Sanders plan. The problem is Sanders is for a different type of Medicare. One that covers less than current Medicare covers.

    2. Studies from places like the Kaiser foundation have concluded pretty simply.... Healthcare is confusing. And difficult. And when you explain M4A the polling massively drops. This is important because M4A has received very little attention in the media. And when you start pushing something you got to know how people are going to react to the new information.

    3. Avoid deceptive polls about the ACA. People are constantly posting ********/outdated polls on the ACA. Truth is... It has had a massive upswing in popularity since it was finally fully implemented. It still isn't loved by small businesses. It still definitely needs improvements. But it isn't hated like the far left tries to paint it.

    4. Red States do not want M4A. Again it's the problem of it not being understood. They want a public option which M4A doesn't provide. And they want choice. M4A literally makes certain things ILLEGAL to cover from a private insurer.

    5. Just in explaining the cost and lack of options in M4A, studies have show a 30 point DROP! And even in his proposed tax plan Sanders doesn't account for the increase in cost.

    TBH I'm not going to give an opinion on what I think is best as far as what system. But understand passing healthcare bills is not easy. And it's the reason Obama was so deceptive when passing it. He pushed it out before it could receive a massive wave of negative propaganda. But this is a constant theme I'm seeing with the far left. I'm constantly watching absolute garbage shows, like Secular Talk push pure propaganda (corporations are bad and Leftists are loved in every state) and seeing where this misinformation is coming from.

    There's nothing wrong with going left. I'm not a person that thinks everything from a socialists mouth is lies and deception. But the Fox News Lite strategy from a lot of leftist commentators and news is extremely disappointing.

    All I ask is you research these claims. The internet is heavily a younger audience so you're going to get a further left bias form a lot of their media. Of course you will get a more moderate bias from the mainstream.

    But the tactics I'm seeing are much closer to Fox News then I'm comfortable with. Especially the conspiracy nonsense. Corporations aren't all bad. Simple reductionist arguments don't help anything. T

    By all means support the leftist candidates. But please stop pushing this notion that they push the policies everyone wants by a landslide. It's false.

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    So, what else is new?

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    Trump and moderate and republicans think everyone loves their policies. Show me one politician who think the public doesn't love the policy he is pushing.

    When it comes to healthcare, politicians have told the insurance companies Medicare for all isn't going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Show me one politician who think the public doesn't love the policy he is pushing.
    Exactly.

    As I hinted at in my point above: show me any ďsound bite initiativeĒ that isnít masking a policy that is complicated, misleading, and well beyond the grasp of the vast majority of Americans.

    Yes, M4A is misconstrued. I wish him luck in his efforts to unpack all policies as presented to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Exactly.

    As I hinted at in my point above: show me any ďsound bite initiativeĒ that isnít masking a policy that is complicated, misleading, and well beyond the grasp of the vast majority of Americans.

    Yes, M4A is misconstrued. I wish him luck in his efforts to unpack all policies as presented to the public.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk

    M4A is not really specific enough. And Bernie's policy is garbage.

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    When SSI was started there were problems that got ironed out as a time when on. Nothing man-made is perfect. M4A exists in other countries, and their citizens are happy enough with the program to continue it. So with our American exceptionalism, I am sure we can work it all once it is made into a national policy. The benefit out weight the fears or mistrust people have for it.
    Last edited by WES445; 11-23-2020 at 03:07 PM.
    A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

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    If you want to talk about bs policies, try the trickle-down economy idea that republicans and moderates have pushed which has never worked, unlike M4A which works in FOREIGN NATIONS.
    A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

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    You sound angry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    You sound angry.


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    A little bit yeah lol. I can't stand the misinformation I see from the far left. It's so blanket stupid.

    Even being pro M4A is such a bland term. If you're talking about Yang's policy I'm down. But Bernie's is an economic disaster. Combined with his push of a Federal Min Wage of $15/hr leads me to believe he has 0 clue to what he's talking about. Or a "wealth tax".

    But again. Push for whatever candidate you want. And I still like Bernie even though his supporters frustrate me. I just find the guy to be honest, which is important. And I don't think he's so thick headed that he wouldn't adjust his vision for the betterment of the country.

    But there are so many similarities right now to the far left and the Trumps. Just a much lighter version. But there a lot of just straight propaganda out there. No substance whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    A little bit yeah lol. I can't stand the misinformation I see from the far left. It's so blanket stupid.

    Even being pro M4A is such a bland term. If you're talking about Yang's policy I'm down. But Bernie's is an economic disaster. Combined with his push of a Federal Min Wage of $15/hr leads me to believe he has 0 clue to what he's talking about. Or a "wealth tax".

    But again. Push for whatever candidate you want. And I still like Bernie even though his supporters frustrate me. I just find the guy to be honest, which is important. And I don't think he's so thick headed that he wouldn't adjust his vision for the betterment of the country.

    But there are so many similarities right now to the far left and the Trumps. Just a much lighter version. But there a lot of just straight propaganda out there. No substance whatsoever.
    I donít know how we fix anything on this front without making a drastic swing to the left for Medicare for all and then tweak from there.

    Itís insane that we still havenít figured out public healthcare and now we even have a pandemic with people dying rather than racking up medical bills and bankrupting people who do get help.

    Our system is broken. Everything from healthcare to the lifestyle decisions that impact it is all based around profiteering instead of providing a necessary service to all citizens.

    ďMedicare for allĒ seems to be a triggering term for you. I donít care what we do but healthcare needs to be a public service for all and these marginal changes do nothing.

    Until we have a majority of politicians answering to citizens rather than pharma lobbyists and their inevitable post political office jobs at lobbying groups or healthcare companies, itís a useless debate to even have. The system is broken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    I donít know how we fix anything on this front without making a drastic swing to the left for Medicare for all and then tweak from there.

    Itís insane that we still havenít figured out public healthcare and now we even have a pandemic with people dying rather than racking up medical bills and bankrupting people who do get help.

    Our system is broken. Everything from healthcare to the lifestyle decisions that impact it is all based around profiteering instead of providing a necessary service to all citizens.

    ďMedicare for allĒ seems to be a triggering term for you. I donít care what we do but healthcare needs to be a public service for all and these marginal changes do nothing.

    Until we have a majority of politicians answering to citizens rather than pharma lobbyists and their inevitable post political office jobs at lobbying groups or healthcare companies, itís a useless debate to even have. The system is broken.


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    It's honestly not a triggering term. The triggering comes from the misinformation and conspiracy. "The corrupt this or that". When the information is literally right in front of you. I don't want this ridiculous notion that dems are the same as the GOP. It's such a baseless ignorant argument that I hear from the far left. There almost isn't a single place where Dems and Republicans are in the same camp on policy.

    And when I point out that we already tried to send out a super progressive healthcare plan and it failed? "Nah bro the insurance companies... the lobbyist.... Biden has dementia."

    It's just becoming an explanation for any time people don't get their way and it's ****ing frustrating as hell. The Bernie Bros are very close to the Trumper in regards to this. They avoid the truth.

    Bernie's economic structures and plans don't make sense. I'll hear Bernie supporters talk about Yang... Well Yang ***** on the Soc Dems all the time, and their policies in regards to the economy.

    Our country just seems to be getting dumber by the minute, and it makes me realize.... We're ****ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    It's honestly not a triggering term. The triggering comes from the misinformation and conspiracy. "The corrupt this or that". When the information is literally right in front of you. I don't want this ridiculous notion that dems are the same as the GOP. It's such a baseless ignorant argument that I hear from the far left. There almost isn't a single place where Dems and Republicans are in the same camp on policy.

    And when I point out that we already tried to send out a super progressive healthcare plan and it failed? "Nah bro the insurance companies... the lobbyist.... Biden has dementia."

    It's just becoming an explanation for any time people don't get their way and it's ****ing frustrating as hell. The Bernie Bros are very close to the Trumper in regards to this. They avoid the truth.

    Bernie's economic structures and plans don't make sense. I'll hear Bernie supporters talk about Yang... Well Yang ***** on the Soc Dems all the time, and their policies in regards to the economy.

    Our country just seems to be getting dumber by the minute, and it makes me realize.... We're ****ed.
    Ok.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    You sound angry.


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    Frustrated is more accurate.

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    Well a significant part of the problem when it comes to politicians and health insurance is the fact that they, personally, have no concept of the cost to the average Joe.........I mean they got better insurance than we do while in office while only paying for about 1/4 of the premium (while the taxpayers get the rest of the bill)...and CONTINUE to get similar coverage (and deep discounts on premiums)......for life.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Exactly.

    As I hinted at in my point above: show me any ďsound bite initiativeĒ that isnít masking a policy that is complicated, misleading, and well beyond the grasp of the vast majority of Americans.

    Yes, M4A is misconstrued. I wish him luck in his efforts to unpack all policies as presented to the public.
    Build a strawman, burn it down, provide zero solutions or how to get there. This movie has been on repeat lately.

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