Knicks Sign G Austin Rivers 3 years $10M

[ShadyOne]

Dotson is a borderline NBA player, I wouldn't mind filling out the roster with someone like him, but that's my assessment of the guy based on his time here. Not going to miss him

That’s true. But Rivers isn’t much either. Tells you what you need to know about him, when you see the deal he got. I mean DJ Augustin just got 3/21 (not sure if 2 or all years guaranteed)

[THE MTL]

This is the worst type of guard to have for Barrett and Toppin. Awful signing!

Dude it's a 3yr/10mil contract with team options on years 2 and 3. For a probable backup PG

[HeartOfStarks]

That’s true. But Rivers isn’t much either. Tells you what you need to know about him, when you see the deal he got. I mean DJ Augustin just got 3/21 (not sure if 2 or all years guaranteed)

Well we know Payton stinks. Hopefully the young guys finally step it up and take their spots/minutes by force. I’d be ecstatic if the rotations (by earning it) ended up being:

Frank-Quickley-RJ-Obi-Mitch
DSJ-Burks-Iggy-Knox-Noel
Payton-Rivers-Bullock-Randle-Spellman

That’s sort of what we’re hoping for is the young guns just taking over and giving Thibs no choice but to bury the vets. No more excuses time for these kids to grow a pair and take it.

[ShadyOne]

Well we know Payton stinks. Hopefully the young guys finally step it up and take their spots/minutes by force. I’d be ecstatic if the rotations (by earning it) ended up being:

Frank-Quickley-RJ-Obi-Mitch
DSJ-Burks-Iggy-Knox-Noel
Payton-Rivers-Bullock-Randle-Spellman

That’s sort of what we’re hoping for is the young guns just taking over and giving Thibs no choice but to bury the vets. No more excuses time for these kids to grow a pair and take it.

That’s pretty much the only plus for me. If they can’t play their way in to this rotation, time to go

On the other side, will Thibs bench vets? And why create that environment again in the first place?

[Bubba313]

Well we know Payton stinks. Hopefully the young guys finally step it up and take their spots/minutes by force. I’d be ecstatic if the rotations (by earning it) ended up being:

Frank-Quickley-RJ-Obi-Mitch
DSJ-Burks-Iggy-Knox-Noel
Payton-Rivers-Bullock-Randle-Spellman

That’s sort of what we’re hoping for is the young guns just taking over and giving Thibs no choice but to bury the vets. No more excuses time for these kids to grow a pair and take it.

This would be great, but it's never going to happen.

I'm actually very nervous that many of Frank, Quickley, DSJ, Knox and Iggy don't even make the rotation.

[HeartOfStarks]

This would be great, but it's never going to happen.

I'm actually very nervous that many of Frank, Quickley, DSJ, Knox and Iggy don't even make the rotation.

Well that’s on them at this point. I trust Thibs way more than I trusted Fizdale or Hornacek. I believe he’ll make good assessments so now it’s on the kids to beat out these vets. They’re not good vets lol (Bullock & Burks aren’t bad but the rest of them meh).

[Shawn2timer]

If Frank/Dennis in contract years cannot get minutes ahead of what you guys believe to be completely trash players, that's on them.

[Shawn2timer]

That’s true. But Rivers isn’t much either. Tells you what you need to know about him, when you see the deal he got. I mean DJ Augustin just got 3/21 (not sure if 2 or all years guaranteed)

Lets see, I haven't seen him play too much. Dotson I have. The deal doesn't tell me much to be honest. I didn't think multiple teams would be in a bidding war over Rivers. He's a backup guard. Seems like a good deal for both sides. He could up playing backup guard here for a few years is I guess what the deal tells me.

[Brooklyndave]

Thibs is an elite coach? Why?

What has he won?

Is Brad Stevens an elite coach? I will answer it YES HE IS , but he has not won anything either .

[ShadyOne]

Is Brad Stevens an elite coach? I will answer it YES HE IS , but he has not won anything either .

I’d put Stevens up there before Thibs. Based on what they had to work with. Rose and Butler alone are better than anything Stevens has worked with to this point

Guess it depends how lenient you are with that elite tag. I’m putting Pop, Spo, Carlisle, Kerr (have to) in there for sure. Stevens is a fringe guy, and Nurse I think will be in that elite class. Mike B, as well. Should I capitolize anything for emphasis?

[smood999]

I’d put Stevens up there before Thibs. Based on what they had to work with. Rose and Butler alone are better than anything Stevens has worked with to this point

Guess it depends how lenient you are with that elite tag. I’m putting Pop, Spo, Carlisle, Kerr (have to) in there for sure. Stevens is a fringe guy, and Nurse I think will be in that elite class. Mike B, as well

Did you miss what the Bulls were still able to accomplish without Rose? Butler wasn’t a star yet.

If it’s solely about doing more with less, then why are Popovich, Spo, Carlisle and Kerr on that list. They have championships, but look at the Spurs since Duncan retired, look at the Heat post LeBron/before Butler, Carlisle without Dirk or Doncic? Kerr is self explanatory.

He’s at least with Bud. My issue with Thibs is his time may have passed.

[ShadyOne]

Did you miss what the Bulls were still able to accomplish without Rose? Butler wasn’t a star yet.

No, didn’t miss it. Good job. I’m still going Stevens over him

[ShadyOne]

Did you miss what the Bulls were still able to accomplish without Rose? Butler wasn’t a star yet.

If it’s solely about doing more with less, then why are Popovich, Spo, Carlisle and Kerr on that list. They have championships, but look at the Spurs since Duncan retired, look at the Heat post LeBron/before Butler, Carlisle without Dirk or Doncic? Kerr is self explanatory.

He’s at least with Bud. My issue with Thibs is his time may have passed.

It’s not just about more with less

He brought up Stevens. Him and Thibs are similar, in results, without winning one. To be definitely elite, I’d say you need a ring. I don’t think Kerr is all that, but I can’t discount the results. He has something to do with it.

And I’d take all those guys easily over Stevens or Thibs, if I had a choice. It’s close between them, though

[smood999]

It’s not just about more with less

He brought up Stevens. Him and Thibs are similar, in results, without winning one. To be definitely elite, I’d say you need a ring. I don’t think Kerr is all that, but I can’t discount the results. He has something to do with it.

And I’d take all those guys easily over Stevens or Thibs, if I had a choice. It’s close between them, though

Ok yeah I agree with that. I didn’t realize you were including him in that next tier.

[Shawn2timer]

I think its safe to say Thibs legacy will ultimately come down to what happens here. He had a great run in Chicago, those teams consistently overachieved and they did it with defense. It's debatable, but Minnesota was something of a small disaster. So the fact that he's not considered to consensually be in the top bucket, that alone should serve to motivate him about this stint. Lets see. I have my issues with Thibs as many seem to do, but I'm certainly more excited about this coaching hire than our last 5. This is the time to be optimistic.