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  1. #151
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    Knicks Sign C Nerlens Noel 1 year $5M

    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn2timer View Post
    To flip it back to Noels for a second I like him @5mln a lot better than the previous Taj and Portis contracts. Also much easier to include in a deal later
    Agreed. Thatís actually very important.

    Last regime was signing awful contracts all around. Even if it was for 1-2 years mostly, it still impacted trade value for these players.

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    Noels not bad at all. He defends well can block some shots. Heís a good backup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxplayerxx23 View Post
    I agree heíll improve Iím sure but he should be ready to come in and have a good rookie season. If he comes in and shows us nothing thatís not a good sign. I expect him to play really well.
    Agreed. He should be more ready then most rookies


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    Knicks Sign C Nerlens Noel 1 year $5M

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    He might be an exception. But the odds are against him. Weíll see.
    You made up the odds though. He has no baseline bc he has never played a game and the idea that players improve in leaps and bounds bt 19 and 22 and then stop is just incorrect. If he stinks as an older rookie that is a bigger concern. Hopefully heíll be pretty good. If he is i expect him to get better


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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    I like this signing as it gives Thibs 48 minutes of crazy rim protection. I think he could work some magic with these two even on a bad team, that at least gives us an identity to build from.
    Each player will average 24mpg along with 5 fpg (fouls per game).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    You made up the odds though. He has no baseline bc he has never played a game and the idea that players improve in leaps and bounds bt 19 and 22 and then stop is just incorrect. If he stinks as an older rookie that is a bigger concern. Hopefully heíll be pretty good. If he is i expect him to get better


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    I didnít make up anything. Look at the track record of players who get drafted at 22 years and older. Hardly any of them make it. Itís because they donít get any better.

    Even Smood who is high on Obi, agrees heís an exception to the rule.

    Also, no one is saying Obi canít get better. Sure, heíll get marginally better with experience. But most players do most of their developing at a very young age.

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    Knicks Sign C Nerlens Noel 1 year $5M

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba313 View Post
    I didnít make up anything. Look at the track record of players who get drafted at 22 years and older. Hardly any of them make it. Itís because they donít get any better.

    Even Smood who is high on Obi, agrees heís an exception to the rule.

    Also, no one is saying Obi canít get better. Sure, heíll get marginally better with experience. But most players do most of their developing at a very young age.
    You said guys donít get better after 22. They do. Now itís guys who get drafted at 22 donít get better . next to no one gets drafted at 22 anymore bc guys with that level of talented are identified super early most of the time. This one was 7 inches shorter in HS so he wasnít.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    You said guys donít get better after 22. They do. Now itís guys who get drafted at 22 donít get better . next to no one gets drafted at 22 anymore bc guys with that level of talented are identified super early most of the time. This one was 7 inches shorter in HS so he wasnít.

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    I never said guys donít get better after 22. I said the majority of development occurs between 19-22, or generally very early on. Itís rare that a player will all of a sudden turn into a star at a later age of like 26-28. Usually, the player is a star at around 23-25 and they become marginally better over time with experience.

    Obi had his growth spurt as a junior in HS. He got redshirted as academically ineligible at Dayton. Play pretty well at a redshirt freshman, and then became the lottery pick we know him as a redshirt sophomore, or essentially a junior.

    I think the odds are against him turning into a vastly different player than what we saw last yr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba313 View Post
    I didnít make up anything. Look at the track record of players who get drafted at 22 years and older. Hardly any of them make it. Itís because they donít get any better.

    Even Smood who is high on Obi, agrees heís an exception to the rule.

    Also, no one is saying Obi canít get better. Sure, heíll get marginally better with experience. But most players do most of their developing at a very young age.
    Check players drafted at 22 or older in the lottery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Check players drafted at 22 or older in the lottery.
    Who were they? Was the 3 or so in the past 20 years good or bad? Iím legitimately curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Who were they? Was the 3 or so in the past 20 years good or bad? Iím legitimately curious.


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    I mean Frank Kaminski hasnít exactly lit the world on fire

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    Buddy Heild was a lottery pick and heís good. Toppinís gonna be awesome


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    Knicks Sign C Nerlens Noel 1 year $5M

    Thereís got to be at least one more....


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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Check players drafted at 22 or older in the lottery.
    I posted this in the draft thread a few weeks ago. Itís not pretty at all:

    A list of the players 22 or older who have been picked in the top 20 since 2008 (from an article out in the Athletic today):

    Tyler Hansborough
    13th ó 2009

    Buddy Hield
    6th ó 2016

    Adrien Payne
    15th ó 2014

    Cameron Johnson
    11th ó 2019

    Delon Wright
    20th ó 2015

    Ekpe Udoh
    6th ó 2010

    Brandon Rush
    13th ó 2008

    Wesley Johnson
    4th ó 2010

    Jerian Grant
    19th ó 2015

    Denzel Valentine
    14th ó 2016

    Andrew Nicholson
    19th ó 2012

    Doug McDermott
    11th ó 2014

    Tyler Zeller
    17th ó 2012

    Hasheem Thabeet
    2nd ó 2009

    James Johnson
    16th ó 2009

    Jimmer Fredette
    10th ó 2011

    Matisse Thybulle
    20th ó 2019

    Kris Dunn
    5th ó 2016

    Taureen Prince
    12th ó 2016

    Justin Jackson
    15th ó 2017

    Frank Kaminsky
    9th ó 2015

    Kelly Olynyk
    13th ó 2013

    Eric Maynor
    20th ó 2009

    Terrance Williams
    11th ó 2009

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