Knicks Sign C Nerlens Noel 1 year $5M

[YoungStuna]

To flip it back to Noels for a second I like him @5mln a lot better than the previous Taj and Portis contracts. Also much easier to include in a deal later

Agreed. That’s actually very important.

Last regime was signing awful contracts all around. Even if it was for 1-2 years mostly, it still impacted trade value for these players.

[xxplayerxx23]

Noels not bad at all. He defends well can block some shots. He’s a good backup.

[ewing]

I agree he’ll improve I’m sure but he should be ready to come in and have a good rookie season. If he comes in and shows us nothing that’s not a good sign. I expect him to play really well.

Agreed. He should be more ready then most rookies


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[ewing]

He might be an exception. But the odds are against him. We’ll see.

You made up the odds though. He has no baseline bc he has never played a game and the idea that players improve in leaps and bounds bt 19 and 22 and then stop is just incorrect. If he stinks as an older rookie that is a bigger concern. Hopefully he’ll be pretty good. If he is i expect him to get better


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[THE MTL]

I like this signing as it gives Thibs 48 minutes of crazy rim protection. I think he could work some magic with these two even on a bad team, that at least gives us an identity to build from.

Each player will average 24mpg along with 5 fpg (fouls per game).

[Bubba313]

You made up the odds though. He has no baseline bc he has never played a game and the idea that players improve in leaps and bounds bt 19 and 22 and then stop is just incorrect. If he stinks as an older rookie that is a bigger concern. Hopefully he’ll be pretty good. If he is i expect him to get better


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I didn’t make up anything. Look at the track record of players who get drafted at 22 years and older. Hardly any of them make it. It’s because they don’t get any better.

Even Smood who is high on Obi, agrees he’s an exception to the rule.

Also, no one is saying Obi can’t get better. Sure, he’ll get marginally better with experience. But most players do most of their developing at a very young age.

[ewing]

I didn’t make up anything. Look at the track record of players who get drafted at 22 years and older. Hardly any of them make it. It’s because they don’t get any better.

Even Smood who is high on Obi, agrees he’s an exception to the rule.

Also, no one is saying Obi can’t get better. Sure, he’ll get marginally better with experience. But most players do most of their developing at a very young age.

You said guys don’t get better after 22. They do. Now it’s guys who get drafted at 22 don’t get better . next to no one gets drafted at 22 anymore bc guys with that level of talented are identified super early most of the time. This one was 7 inches shorter in HS so he wasn’t.

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[Bubba313]

You said guys don’t get better after 22. They do. Now it’s guys who get drafted at 22 don’t get better . next to no one gets drafted at 22 anymore bc guys with that level of talented are identified super early most of the time. This one was 7 inches shorter in HS so he wasn’t.

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I never said guys don’t get better after 22. I said the majority of development occurs between 19-22, or generally very early on. It’s rare that a player will all of a sudden turn into a star at a later age of like 26-28. Usually, the player is a star at around 23-25 and they become marginally better over time with experience.

Obi had his growth spurt as a junior in HS. He got redshirted as academically ineligible at Dayton. Play pretty well at a redshirt freshman, and then became the lottery pick we know him as a redshirt sophomore, or essentially a junior.

I think the odds are against him turning into a vastly different player than what we saw last yr.

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[YoungStuna]

I didn’t make up anything. Look at the track record of players who get drafted at 22 years and older. Hardly any of them make it. It’s because they don’t get any better.

Even Smood who is high on Obi, agrees he’s an exception to the rule.

Also, no one is saying Obi can’t get better. Sure, he’ll get marginally better with experience. But most players do most of their developing at a very young age.

Check players drafted at 22 or older in the lottery.

[ewing]

Check players drafted at 22 or older in the lottery.

Who were they? Was the 3 or so in the past 20 years good or bad? I’m legitimately curious.


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[HeartOfStarks]

Who were they? Was the 3 or so in the past 20 years good or bad? I’m legitimately curious.


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I mean Frank Kaminski hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire

[ewing]

Buddy Heild was a lottery pick and he’s good. Toppin’s gonna be awesome


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[ewing]

There’s got to be at least one more....


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[Bubba313]

Check players drafted at 22 or older in the lottery.

I posted this in the draft thread a few weeks ago. It’s not pretty at all:

A list of the players 22 or older who have been picked in the top 20 since 2008 (from an article out in the Athletic today):

Tyler Hansborough
13th — 2009

Buddy Hield
6th — 2016

Adrien Payne
15th — 2014

Cameron Johnson
11th — 2019

Delon Wright
20th — 2015

Ekpe Udoh
6th — 2010

Brandon Rush
13th — 2008

Wesley Johnson
4th — 2010

Jerian Grant
19th — 2015

Denzel Valentine
14th — 2016

Andrew Nicholson
19th — 2012

Doug McDermott
11th — 2014

Tyler Zeller
17th — 2012

Hasheem Thabeet
2nd — 2009

James Johnson
16th — 2009

Jimmer Fredette
10th — 2011

Matisse Thybulle
20th — 2019

Kris Dunn
5th — 2016

Taureen Prince
12th — 2016

Justin Jackson
15th — 2017

Frank Kaminsky
9th — 2015

Kelly Olynyk
13th — 2013

Eric Maynor
20th — 2009

Terrance Williams
11th — 2009