2020 Offseason & Free Agency Thread

[HeartOfStarks]

My rosy glasses are telling me maybe this is why we kept our cap space and his response to Bondy is that of a person in the middle of contract negotiations?

I hope so, would be exciting to see him come here.

[TakeAnotherL]

I don't care about Randle. I'm talking about how you guys throw around the term modern.

Zion was just used as an example of someone that you guys would call modern, but doesn't do any of the things you've highlighted for modern bigs. Zion as an example also highlights how PFs can still have a major impact without doing all of the things you insist on them being able to do.

Then there's Obi, who a lot of people on here have insisted on not being modern, but he probably offers the most modern offensive skillset of the three.

Zion doesn't need to be pigeonholed into the term "modern" he's the biggest, strongest, most explosive, athlete we have probably ever seen.

No player of any era is capable of doing what he can do.

To compare anything about a completely useless bum like randle, to Zion, is crazy. You don't talk about Zion in the same terms of other players, because nobody in the history of the world is comparable to Zion.

[Knicks Boogie]

I don't think it's a direct comparison to Randle. He's just highlighting how the word modern just gets thrown around in a non-meaningful way. It also has nothing to do with Zion needing time. His point was that based on what you outlined as modern, Zion doesn't fit that currently yet he had a huge impact on that team and we would be happy to have him.



This post pretty much proves that because everything you said a modern PF needs to be able to do, Zion doesn't right now and Shady is even using "if he never improves at all." He was a terrible defender his first year and doesn't space the floor like Luka, like Steph, like Trae Young. Zion isn't "modern" with how you guys constantly throw out the term, yet you can acknowledge how good and valuable he still is.

I don't agree with your use of modern or that Zion isn't modern, but it just shows how you guys contradict yourselves when using it. I believe this was the point that was trying to be made.

It's not just with Randle. Just look at how Obi is viewed on here in comparison to Zion, when Obi probably offers more of what you guys think is "modern" offensively. Again, not a direct comparison, just in terms of how you guys throw that word around. It honestly doesn't make much sense and comes off at times as just playing favorites or as just another way of saying that a player isn't good, but a player can be bad, average, or good while still being modern.

Well put. I think Zion is a really good player same as I think the Freak is a really good player. They are beasts at getting to the rim, good passers and great defenders BUT to be considered a modern or even generational player you have to be able to space the floor. I doubt either Zion or Freak will ever be able to do that. LeBron made himself generational to me when he added the consistent 3 point shooting to his game which to me is harder to do than to become a good defender. Plus with a defensive minded coach like Thibs defense will be a team effort like his contending Bulls team were.

The only good defenders on those Bulls teams were Noah(Mitch), Deng(RJ) and Butler(Frank). I'm not comparing the players there I'm just letting you know that this Knicks team has just as many defenders and that Bulls team was known as a defensive juggernaut. People also are not mentioning how good of a signing Noel is. He brings the same intense rim protection that Mitch does in case Mitch is in foul trouble plus a little better scoring. Rivers is also an above average defender that could possibly be compared to Kirk H. who played a big role on those Bulls teams.

I think Leon Rose did a good job building the type of team Thibs likes to coach. IF...Obi turns out to be a bad defender, I don't think it will be as noticeable in Thibs defensive schemes. Nobody ever mentions Derrick Rose or Carlos Boozer who were both known as horrible defenders hurting the Bulls chances of winning. We will see soon enough.

[Knicks Boogie]

I get why we don't want him. We want to give Obi +30 minutes at PF and Knox the rest. However, let's not act like Randle is garbage.

Randle in 2019 (24 years old) = 21ppg / 9rpg / 3apg with shooting splits of 52/34/71

I keep telling folks this... and that's with the worst possible coaching in the league.

[ShadyOne]

Well put. I think Zion is a really good player same as I think the Freak is a really good player. They are beasts at getting to the rim, good passers and great defenders BUT to be considered a modern or even generational player you have to be able to space the floor. I doubt either Zion or Freak will ever be able to do that. LeBron made himself generational to me when he added the consistent 3 point shooting to his game which to me is harder to do than to become a good defender. Plus with a defensive minded coach like Thibs defense will be a team effort like his contending Bulls team were.

The only good defenders on those Bulls teams were Noah(Mitch), Deng(RJ) and Butler(Frank). I'm not comparing the players there I'm just letting you know that this Knicks team has just as many defenders and that Bulls team was known as a defensive juggernaut. People also are not mentioning how good of a signing Noel is. He brings the same intense rim protection that Mitch does in case Mitch is in foul trouble plus a little better scoring. Rivers is also an above average defender that could possibly be compared to Kirk H. who played a big role on those Bulls teams.

I think Leon Rose did a good job building the type of team Thibs likes to coach. IF...Obi turns out to be a bad defender, I don't think it will be as noticeable in Thibs defensive schemes. Nobody ever mentions Derrick Rose or Carlos Boozer who were both known as horrible defenders hurting the Bulls chances of winning. We will see soon enough.

Lebron was already clearly a generational talent the minute he stepped on the pro court. And 100% a lock after year two. And Giannis “won’t get there”? By 25, he’s a back to back MVP, DPOY, automatic 2nd/1st team all NBA/Defense. Pretty sure he’s already there. If he improves his jumper, he will literally own the league

I’d bet right now, if he doesn’t get injured, Zion will be there very soon

[smood999]

Well put. I think Zion is a really good player same as I think the Freak is a really good player. They are beasts at getting to the rim, good passers and great defenders BUT to be considered a modern or even generational player you have to be able to space the floor. I doubt either Zion or Freak will ever be able to do that. LeBron made himself generational to me when he added the consistent 3 point shooting to his game which to me is harder to do than to become a good defender. Plus with a defensive minded coach like Thibs defense will be a team effort like his contending Bulls team were.

The only good defenders on those Bulls teams were Noah(Mitch), Deng(RJ) and Butler(Frank). I'm not comparing the players there I'm just letting you know that this Knicks team has just as many defenders and that Bulls team was known as a defensive juggernaut. People also are not mentioning how good of a signing Noel is. He brings the same intense rim protection that Mitch does in case Mitch is in foul trouble plus a little better scoring. Rivers is also an above average defender that could possibly be compared to Kirk H. who played a big role on those Bulls teams.

I think Leon Rose did a good job building the type of team Thibs likes to coach. IF...Obi turns out to be a bad defender, I don't think it will be as noticeable in Thibs defensive schemes. Nobody ever mentions Derrick Rose or Carlos Boozer who were both known as horrible defenders hurting the Bulls chances of winning. We will see soon enough.

My post wasn’t to diminish Zion either.

[Knicks Boogie]

Lebron was already clearly a generational talent the minute he stepped on the pro court. And 100% a lock after year two. And Giannis “won’t get there”? By 25, he’s a back to back MVP, DPOY, automatic 2nd/1st team all NBA/Defense. Pretty sure he’s already there. If he improves his jumper, he will literally own the league

I’d bet right now, if he doesn’t get injured, Zion will be there very soon

Maybe we have different views of generational talent. I think Giannis is a superstar but not generational. Steve Nash was a 2 time MVP but never won anything and wasn't generational to me. Giannis is heading down that path because his game is too predictable mainly because he can't mix it up. He can't shoot. Zion either. Sorry but those are facts.

Look I will be the first to admit I was wrong about Luka... he is a generational talent. I also think Trae Young will be a generational talent as well. Those guys score from all over the cover and it's almost impossible to game plan against them. LeBron was very stoppable before he became efficient from 3. Now it's pick your poison!

[ShadyOne]

Maybe we have different views of generational talent. I think Giannis is a superstar but not generational. Steve Nash was a 2 time MVP but never won anything and wasn't generational to me. Giannis is heading down that path because his game is too predictable mainly because he can't mix it up. He can't shoot. Zion either. Sorry but those are facts.

Look I will be the first to admit I was wrong about Luka... he is a generational talent. I also think Trae Young will be a generational talent as well. Those guys score from all over the cover and it's almost impossible to game plan against them. LeBron was very stoppable before he became efficient from 3. Now it's pick your poison!

That’s fair. But Giannis is WAY better than Nash. Those MVPs were suspect to put it mildly. And Giannis is a premium player on both ends in his early 20s. And Lebron was never really stoppable. He’s been pretty much putting up 27/7/7 since he’s 20, and consistently making deep playoff runs.

[YoungStuna]

Zion doesn't need to be pigeonholed into the term "modern" he's the biggest, strongest, most explosive, athlete we have probably ever seen.

No player of any era is capable of doing what he can do.

To compare anything about a completely useless bum like randle, to Zion, is crazy. You don't talk about Zion in the same terms of other players, because nobody in the history of the world is comparable to Zion.

Agreed lol

Randle is like Zion, but without the explosive vertical athleticism and body mass. Which basically means that he sucks lol

[cheetos185]

Agreed lol

Randle is like Zion, but without the explosive vertical athleticism and body mass. Which basically means that he sucks lol

If Randle is like Zion then I'm like Morant

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[xxplayerxx23]

You do know Rondo signed with atl right

Yeah and you said Hayes and compared him to rondo. Rondo next to trae isn’t a good fit that’s why they’ll likely not play much if at all together. You do know he’s coming off the bench right.......

[xxplayerxx23]

So our team got dumb and cheap. As opposed to usually just dumb

No way char offered a first and the Knicks were like nah lol

[xxplayerxx23]

He’d be the best player on our team (from what I’ve read)

I’m not buying that but who knows let’s hope he comes over then

[HeartOfStarks]

I’m not buying that but who knows let’s hope he comes over then

I mean he’s definitely a smart point guard who can shoot. Considering none of our point guards are shooters I think that alone is pretty damn helpful.

[ShadyOne]

No way char offered a first and the Knicks were like nah lol

Let’s hope not