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  1. #31
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    For the life of me I cannot rationalize the Obi pick. He is an okay player, but I am not sure how he fits in with the Knicks current team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knickerbockerny View Post
    I do not understand that at all neither... its baffling. The Knicks literally did nothing to move the needle. You basically drafting another Julius Randle. The Knicks still need a point guard to make anything work. Thats flagrant. Just about every lotto team addressed their direct needs, besides the Knicks.
    Been saying this all along

    I donít care how good he might be. The type of player he is, just isnít whatís needed. Even if he is good, itís going to be empty numbers. We still need shooting, and defense everywhere. And we have zero playmaking

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    Quote Originally Posted by knickerbockerny View Post
    I do not understand that at all neither... its baffling. The Knicks literally did nothing to move the needle. You basically drafting another Julius Randle. The Knicks still need a point guard to make anything work. Thats flagrant. Just about every lotto team addressed their direct needs, besides the Knicks.
    If he is really good he will move the needle for us since we don't have many really good players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    I think I read somewhere that Detroit took themselves out of the FVV running last night with their trades, and PHX has traded for CP3 so if we want FVV he is likely our to get. I don't think TOR is gonna go to high to retain him.

    FVV + Bogs or Harris or Hayward makes a lot of sense.

    Fred - RJ - Hayward - Obi - Mitch is fun enough to get me excited.

    Also I for one am happy we got a 22 y/o that should produce right away. Sick of these raw projects and hearing everyone say we have to wait 4 years for them to show any signs of being a decent player.
    Seriously. I canít so many people are upset that he is 22. Iím happy we drafted two guys that have some offensive skill already and I wonít have to hear about how good heís going to be in 2025 when he learns to shoot and dribbles


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    Quote Originally Posted by PewPew View Post
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    There are plenty of teams throughout history you can name, I'll give him that there aren't a ton in today's current NBA. Anthony Davis is really the only guy I can think of having great success TODAY. Jokic is a C but sort of the same mold of slow, skilled offensive C with bad D. Honestly, Zion is close in comparison in terms of skillset but has more perimeter skills so he is probably closer to Giannis/LeBron type than STAT/Anthony Davis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PewPew View Post
    Chris Webber, Sac Kings
    that was like 20 years ago...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    There are plenty of teams throughout history you can name, I'll give him that there aren't a ton in today's current NBA. Anthony Davis is really the only guy I can think of having great success TODAY. Jokic is a C but sort of the same mold of slow, skilled offensive C with bad D. Honestly, Zion is close in comparison in terms of skillset but has more perimeter skills so he is probably closer to Giannis/LeBron type than STAT/Anthony Davis.
    AD is a very good rim protector though unlike Obi and even AD had to move to C.

    Seems like Randle 2.0 situation where we got enamored with high scoring stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxplayerxx23 View Post
    Can thibs help toppin become even an average defender ? Because fvv Beasley (or bogdan) RJ toppin Mitch could be pretty good defensively if he can.
    That's really a stupid question right there.
    If a defensive specialist coach like Thibs cannot improve a rookie in that area then i don't know who can.
    Toppin is going to be an ok defender sooner or later.
    He has all the tools needed.
    He is long,athletic,can move his feet and he is willing to learn.
    With Thibs in his ear this is going to happen eventually.
    You can teach defense and we have the right coach for this.
    Not saying he is going to be Anthony Davis defensively but not a black hole either.
    Anyway That should be the least of our concerns

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    AD is a very good rim protector though unlike Obi and even AD had to move to C.

    Seems like Randle 2.0 situation where we got enamored with high scoring stats.
    I get your point and you could be right, but I just think the line between a high scoring/bad D "losing" player and a high scoring/bad D all star is very fuzzy and I'm not entirely sure anyone can pinpoint what separates STAT, Bosh, Blake from guys like Randle and Beasley. I don't think we can write off this guy just because on paper he is of a certain mold. There are blueprints for all star level success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    I definitely heard somewhere yesterday that he was a really good passer. Don't know if it was on ESPN or elsewhere. Maybe I'm dreaming.
    Heís a good passer and a high IQ player. As a prospect even with his age he has a ceiling I just donít see the fit with him n Mitch because he doesnít stretch the floor. Now if he can be a consistent 3pt shooter especially from the corner then ok but we have Payne so maybe he saw something so well see. I donít understand the hate for this guy dude can score at will
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    I get your point and you could be right, but I just think the line between a high scoring/bad D "losing" player and a high scoring/bad D all star is very fuzzy and I'm not entirely sure anyone can pinpoint what separates STAT, Bosh, Blake from guys like Randle and Beasley. I don't think we can write off this guy just because on paper he is of a certain mold. There are blueprints for all star level success.
    i mean Blake 2 years ago put up an efficient 28/8/5 for DET and it got them nowhere.

    I think you look at a guy like Bagley who was such a dominant force in college, a much better prospect. And he's been a good scorer at the NBA level but his fit, D and lack of shooting really negate any impact his scoring has.

    GS taking Wiseman tells me there was a deal to be made there with Mitch to move up, not getting Ball is going to really come back to haunt us I think, this was the year to move up finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    i mean Blake 2 years ago put up an efficient 28/8/5 for DET and it got them nowhere.

    I think you look at a guy like Bagley who was such a dominant force in college, a much better prospect. And he's been a good scorer at the NBA level but his fit, D and lack of shooting really negate any impact his scoring has.

    GS taking Wiseman tells me there was a deal to be made there with Mitch to move up, not getting Ball is going to really come back to haunt us I think, this was the year to move up finally.
    I don't think you can peg Blake a losing player, he's had plenty of success as a winning teams #1/2. I don't think it's remotely fair to pin Detroit's woes on him or Sac's woes on Bagley. But I think the Bagley comparison is a good one.
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    I would have even tried moving up a couple spots to jump Detroit, and take Hayes

    He would have been perfect for us.

    Donít like Toppin at all. Just makes no sense. Iím cool with the Quickley pick though

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    It's funny how people just wanna keep the Knicks down and can't even acknowledge when they do something great that's a no brainer. This guy was the college player of the year and most NBA ready player in the draft and they knock it??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    AD is a very good rim protector though unlike Obi and even AD had to move to C.

    Seems like Randle 2.0 situation where we got enamored with high scoring stats.
    Is Jokic like a Randle 2.0 situation in Denver? Jokic is horrible at defense but he can pass and shoot. Would you be mad if we drafted Jokic? Yes. Would you be mad now if you had Jokic? No. They are saying Obi can pass and shoot. I do not know if he will be good but damn. They are enamored with scoring because we are one of the worst teams at scoring.

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