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    Sam is done here for the simple reason that if we get #1, we get to reset the rookie QB salary clock. In no way, shape or form has Sam shown us that heís worth committing around $25MM to... and we have to make that decision by May. Heís gone. Best of luck and hopefully your next team doesnít ruin you like we did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    The real question was answered when you placed Lawrence above Darnold.
    It shows you value what he brings to the table more, so you see him as the better overall QB.

    Now, if the most important position is considered to be QB in this passers league (with mobile QBs spread throughout), wouldn't it make sense to get the one you believe can produce the most consistent success?

    And a decision like this may even be out of Joe D hands and come from Chris and Woody themselves.
    However, I do think they will allow Joe D to build the team his way, considering that he did have a moderately successful draft last year.
    Also keep in mind, GMs tend to like to draft "their" QB to imprint themselves on a team.
    I really hope Joe is allowed to do this. So far, his first draft looks very good.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lamonster View Post
    Anyone who would be willing to trade the number one pick this year is an absolute IDIOT. Period, end of discussion! You don't suffer through a year like this so you can trade back and take a WR like Chase at #5. Stop the stupidity! Some of you guys are as bad as this team.
    I respectfully disagree. Goff got 2 firsts, 2 seconds, 2 thirds. TL would get more.

    I don't think it's a bad move. As I've said,. I think you draft him or you get a ton. of picks. It's a win win.



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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    People realize that Trevor Lawrence can run, right?

    Heís the total package. He projects to be a better version of Justin Herbert. Let that sink in real quick.

    You take him at #1 and everything becomes easier. We have a ton of high picks and cap space for FAs.
    Yes. He can run. Running against NFL talent is vastly different from from running in the ACC. Do you want him running that much?
    Consider this, you are using Justin Herbert as a comparison. No one saw Herbert coming. No one thought he'd be this good.
    My point is, we get fixated on a single player we believe to be the solution and miss everything else.

    Everything also gets easier with a great Edge rusher or Center or lockdown CB or stud WR. Jets need all of those.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I respectfully disagree. Goff got 2 firsts, 2 seconds, 2 thirds. TL would get more.

    I don't think it's a bad move. As I've said,. I think you draft him or you get a ton. of picks. It's a win win.
    I agree it is win win. While I am staring to worry about Sam a little more now I do think he will be another Tannehill. While it has been tough I have seen him make plays that bad QBs donít just luck into.

    TL may be the truth but the reason it is a ďpassing leagueĒ is cause everything is suited to help the offense. So you donít need the top QB in the game, you need the best offense. We need a great O-line and a couple of weapons with decent talent around it. The best way to secure that is trading the #1 overall pick.

    If we keep it and draft TL that is fine. That can work. But as stated before other teams with great young QBs are still struggling. Mahomes is great but the talent around him is amazing. Pat makes that great team elite, but you can put a number of QBs in that spot and not lose a huge amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I respectfully disagree. Goff got 2 firsts, 2 seconds, 2 thirds. TL would get more.

    I don't think it's a bad move. As I've said,. I think you draft him or you get a ton. of picks. It's a win win.
    Kinky, we already have draft capital to go along with cap space. We simply cannot pass on Lawrence with the #1. Anyone who followed my previous posts knows how much the Sam Darnold pick meant to me, but there are now serious doubts about him. For me it is all the time missed in three years due to injury (not even counting his ridiculous bout with mono). It's time for both parties to move on. In retrospect, the "seeing ghosts out there" comment was Darnold's undoing. A stud player doesn't crap his pants like that on Monday Night Football. I wish Sam well, but I hope we are in the position to start fresh with TL and a new coach. No getting cute by trading out of #1 in a year when you have a stud QB prospect staring yo right in the face!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lamonster View Post
    Kinky, we already have draft capital to go along with cap space. We simply cannot pass on Lawrence with the #1. Anyone who followed my previous posts knows how much the Sam Darnold pick meant to me, but there are now serious doubts about him. For me it is all the time missed in three years due to injury (not even counting his ridiculous bout with mono). It's time for both parties to move on. In retrospect, the "seeing ghosts out there" comment was Darnold's undoing. A stud player doesn't crap his pants like that on Monday Night Football. I wish Sam well, but I hope we are in the position to start fresh with TL and a new coach. No getting cute by trading out of #1 in a year when you have a stud QB prospect staring yo right in the face!
    I wasn't thinking in Sam's interest until I saw a few posts including yours. I get what you are all saying. It's better for all parties at this point to call it a wrap and start anew. Give Sam a chance elsewhere and draft the FQB at 1 and not only get the guy but reset the rookie contract which will save the team money for the first 4 years.



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    Quote Originally Posted by aNYer View Post
    I agree it is win win. While I am staring to worry about Sam a little more now I do think he will be another Tannehill. While it has been tough I have seen him make plays that bad QBs donít just luck into.

    TL may be the truth but the reason it is a ďpassing leagueĒ is cause everything is suited to help the offense. So you donít need the top QB in the game, you need the best offense. We need a great O-line and a couple of weapons with decent talent around it. The best way to secure that is trading the #1 overall pick.

    If we keep it and draft TL that is fine. That can work. But as stated before other teams with great young QBs are still struggling. Mahomes is great but the talent around him is amazing. Pat makes that great team elite, but you can put a number of QBs in that spot and not lose a huge amount.
    Kansas City doesn't win the Super Bowl without their QB being Mahomes.

    Also, Kansas City traded up to secure Mahomes even though they had Alex Smith (a decent QB) on the roster.
    They made sure they had the most talented QB they could get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Yes. He can run. Running against NFL talent is vastly different from from running in the ACC. Do you want him running that much?
    Consider this, you are using Justin Herbert as a comparison. No one saw Herbert coming. No one thought he'd be this good.
    My point is, we get fixated on a single player we believe to be the solution and miss everything else.

    Everything also gets easier with a great Edge rusher or Center or lockdown CB or stud WR. Jets need all of those.
    No I donít want Lawrence running much, but he has the ability to escape pressure and run to get 1st downs on a regular basis if he chooses. Heís a great passer who has those abilities in his skillset.

    Itís not a stretch to say Lawrence will have a rookie season similar or better than Herbert from Day 1 because he is a better prospect than Herbert was and a better prospect than Burrow as well who had good success before going down for the year.

    You donít go 0-16 potentially and not take arguably the best QB prospect in the last 10 years for more picks. We already have a bunch of picks and cap space to fill our needs, how many rookies do you want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    No I donít want Lawrence running much, but he has the ability to escape pressure and run to get 1st downs on a regular basis if he chooses. Heís a great passer who has those abilities in his skillset.

    Itís not a stretch to say Lawrence will have a rookie season similar or better than Herbert from Day 1 because he is a better prospect than Herbert was and a better prospect than Burrow as well who had good success before going down for the year.

    You donít go 0-16 potentially and not take arguably the best QB prospect in the last 10 years for more picks. We already have a bunch of picks and cap space to fill our needs, how many rookies do you want?
    I agree about TL. But he is still a prospect. Many here were convince Sam was the best QB the jets would ever have. People get excited about prospects but TL still has his flaws.

    As for the last question? As many as I can get.

    I don't think I've been clear and that's on me. If we had the number one pick and the Jags were dead set that TL was their guy, would you take their 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a third to move back one spot and take Fields?
    If you knew one of the second tier guys, Trask, the kid from BYU, The kid from ND state would be there at 8-10, you could move back and likely get 3 firsts, 2 -3 seconds and 2-3 thirds. So you still get a young QB. You still get draft capitol that you can trade to keep the capitol and have the leverage to move up in 2 years when the Line is built and the D is ready.

    Again, I agree with the point made by quite a few that it's just time to move on from Sam an give him a chance elsewhere but there are so many scenarios that could play out over the next 4-6 months that may alter the path.
    It's why I say that I am open to any path they take right now.



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    With the picks that we have and the salary cap space, we will be able to beef up the OL and electrify the receiving corp for TL, while also improving the pass rush and secondary. It can be quite a turnaround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I agree about TL. But he is still a prospect. Many here were convince Sam was the best QB the jets would ever have. People get excited about prospects but TL still has his flaws.

    As for the last question? As many as I can get.

    I don't think I've been clear and that's on me. If we had the number one pick and the Jags were dead set that TL was their guy, would you take their 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a third to move back one spot and take Fields?
    If you knew one of the second tier guys, Trask, the kid from BYU, The kid from ND state would be there at 8-10, you could move back and likely get 3 firsts, 2 -3 seconds and 2-3 thirds. So you still get a young QB. You still get draft capitol that you can trade to keep the capitol and have the leverage to move up in 2 years when the Line is built and the D is ready.

    Again, I agree with the point made by quite a few that it's just time to move on from Sam an give him a chance elsewhere but there are so many scenarios that could play out over the next 4-6 months that may alter the path.
    It's why I say that I am open to any path they take right now.
    Agreed. This makes the most sense to me.
    On top of the two extra firsts and extra third we have over the next two drafts, if we could get a couple of more firsts seconds and thirds, we would have a potential powerhouse on our hands if Douglas drafts decently. Darnold is more than capable of winning with an excellent team around him.

    Consider that the Bengals have Burrow and are 2-8-1 and were unable to keep him out of harm's way and the Chargers are 3-8 with Herbert. Anyone would be ecstatic if Lawrence performed as well as these two, yet look where their teams are: entertaining losers.

    Also, where is this Darnold is a bum stuff coming from? You would have to be totally blind not to see what a bad hand he's been dealt the last three years. The presence of Gase alone will make any QB look like a basket case. (See Ryan Tannehill).

    Give me Darnold and a bushel of high picks over Lawrence and a depleted roster (even with the extra first rounder next year and a bit of cap space) any day.

    The Jets would have the talent over the next couple of years to be a legitimate contender (presuming Gase has been Jet-isoned)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    Give me Darnold and a bushel of high picks over Lawrence and a depleted roster (even with the extra first rounder next year and a bit of cap space) any day.

    The Jets would have the talent over the next couple of years to be a legitimate contender (presuming Gase has been Jet-isoned)
    Are you absolutely sold on Darnold?
    (Don"t give me an inbetween answer or say Gase this/Gase that, there are no ifs, ands or buts)

    Are you unquestionably sold that Darnold is the answer at QB?
    No caveat needed.
    Just answer: yes or no.

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    We need JAX to beat MIN this week, otherwise I can't help but expect to beat NE in week 17 and ruin everything, as we watch TL win multiple MVPs in route to a HOF career with JAX, because Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Are you absolutely sold on Darnold?
    (Don"t give me an inbetween answer or say Gase this/Gase that, there are no ifs, ands or buts)

    Are you unquestionably sold that Darnold is the answer at QB?
    No caveat needed.
    Just answer: yes or no.
    Am I absolutely sold on Darnold: No

    Next question:
    Am I absolutely sold on Trevor Lawrence? No

    Meaningful question:
    Do I think the Jets have a better chance of being a winner with Darnold and several extra studs obtained in the draft from a Lawrence trade than with Lawrence alone? Yes

    At this point, I just have to say that I'm tired of the Jets giving away quality talent all of the time because the team has been so dysfunctional and crappy. Leonard Williams is having a big year with the Giants. DeMario Davis is rated by many as the best inside linebacker in the league. Miami's running back was a Jets discard. Bellichick always turns Jets castoffs into nuggets of gold. Not to mention Jamal Adams or Robbie Anderson.
    Darnold can play. He's the same guy who was highly valued out of college. The Jets are about to give him away for next to nothing, once again, and then watch him flourish elsewhere.
    It's nuts. He's a talent. Keep him, get rid of this horrific coach, get a bunch of talent for the number 1 and go out and start acting like a winner. Winners don't keep giving away their top talent for little or nothing in return. Talent is gold in the NFL. The idea of giving Darnold a fresh start somewhere else is ludicrous. What does that do for the Jets?
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