Jets talk

[LVC]

To be fair to Carr, he's had 6 different HC in the last 9 years and he's played with a bunch of bad defenses and running games.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...ntered-the-nfl

Not to mention his individual numbers are significantly better than Mayfield. Not that it matters because Carr is most likely headed to the Saints.

Like the same can't be said for several other QBs and the organizations they play for? 6 different coaches all the same result for the most part. Adams, Waller and Jacobs aren't good enough to win more than 6 games? Jacobs and Adams were top 3 in their positions this season. Is it the coaching or Carr? I've read a lot of comments from Raiders fans about Carr and the consensus isn't that great on him. Majority seem to say the same thing in that he would constantly make costly mistakes at the worst times that ended up costing them some games.

I obviously think Carr is the better choice but as I said, Mayfield being a plan Z isn't that terrible. Looking at the available QBs and being realistic in terms of who we're actually gonna be left to choose from, Mayfield seems like the better option out of everyone else unless Titans end up moving on from Tannehill. I just don't see the jets getting one of the top guys and they'll be stuck with the plan Z's.

[LVC]

So since you don't think where going to get Carr, who do you want to start as QB next year?

Anyone but wilson. I don't think Jets are gonna get any of the top guys and tbh they're all pretty mediocre to choose from. If rodgers, carr and jimmy are gone, then I said I think I'd lean towards Mayfield as a "best" option out of whats available on the list of QBs.

[MrX27]

Anyone but wilson. I don't think Jets are gonna get any of the top guys and tbh they're all pretty mediocre to choose from. If rodgers, carr and jimmy are gone, then I said I think I'd lean towards Mayfield as a "best" option out of whats available on the list of QBs.

So you believe Baker Mayfield starts at QB for the Jets next year.

And you're good with that.

[LVC]

So you believe Baker Mayfield starts at QB for the Jets next year.

And you're good with that.

Where did I say that? I said if all the "top" guys are taken, he would be best available option out of whatever QBs remain. Idk who the jets are gonna get but it's gonna be one of the lower tier guys most likely.

[Kinkotheclown]

So If LaFleur's play calling wasn't enough to get him gone, maybe this was part of the treason

"Some talent evaluators within the organization didn't see Wilson as worthy of being the No. 2 pick, according to two sources familiar with the pre-draft process," Cimini wrote. They saw him as a developmental player who could be a starter within three years. Assistant GM Rex Hogan and then-offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur were the driving forces behind the decision to pick him second, they said."

"[LaFleur], along with Rex Hogan, were in 2021 draft meetings selling the narrative that there was a legit argument Wilson was better than [No. 1 overall pick] Trevor Lawrence," one source said. "[Some of us], we're like, 'What the f---?!' It's one thing to like a player; it's another to pump a prospect up higher than he actually is."

If that's true? It's still on JD but if LaFleur saw Wilson as that good and was pressing the gas, it is telling about him.
He was a first time OC desperate for a QB to help him make his career. No wonder their relationship was chilly.
Regardless, Wilson needs to go into the oven for any least a year and we can hope he comes out a finished product but at this point, he is looking like an all time bust.

[metswon69]

Like the same can't be said for several other QBs and the organizations they play for? 6 different coaches all the same result for the most part. Adams, Waller and Jacobs aren't good enough to win more than 6 games? Jacobs and Adams were top 3 in their positions this season. Is it the coaching or Carr? I've read a lot of comments from Raiders fans about Carr and the consensus isn't that great on him. Majority seem to say the same thing in that he would constantly make costly mistakes at the worst times that ended up costing them some games.

I obviously think Carr is the better choice but as I said, Mayfield being a plan Z isn't that terrible. Looking at the available QBs and being realistic in terms of who we're actually gonna be left to choose from, Mayfield seems like the better option out of everyone else unless Titans end up moving on from Tannehill. I just don't see the jets getting one of the top guys and they'll be stuck with the plan Z's.

You're the one who brought up team records while he was with the Raiders. Its hard to win with bad defenses and no running game. The Jets dont have that problem. The Raiders had an awful defense as well last year despite Jacobs breaking out.

Josh McDaniels continually proves he's an awful head coach as well.

I agree that the Jets will probably be stuck with options at QB who aren't great but I hope that isn't the case because a guy like Mayfield puts them in a similar position as last year imo.

[metswon69]

So If LaFleur's play calling wasn't enough to get him gone, maybe this was part of the treason

"Some talent evaluators within the organization didn't see Wilson as worthy of being the No. 2 pick, according to two sources familiar with the pre-draft process," Cimini wrote. They saw him as a developmental player who could be a starter within three years. Assistant GM Rex Hogan and then-offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur were the driving forces behind the decision to pick him second, they said."

"[LaFleur], along with Rex Hogan, were in 2021 draft meetings selling the narrative that there was a legit argument Wilson was better than [No. 1 overall pick] Trevor Lawrence," one source said. "[Some of us], we're like, 'What the f---?!' It's one thing to like a player; it's another to pump a prospect up higher than he actually is."

If that's true? It's still on JD but if LaFleur saw Wilson as that good and was pressing the gas, it is telling about him.
He was a first time OC desperate for a QB to help him make his career. No wonder their relationship was chilly.
Regardless, Wilson needs to go into the oven for any least a year and we can hope he comes out a finished product but at this point, he is looking like an all time bust.

Lots of hindsight being 20/20 here. To be to far to Wilson, a lot of teams had him as the number 2 QB in that draft. In fact, I read somewhere that the 49ers were in love with Wilson and wanted to trade up for him but knew the Jets were taking him at #2.

What's done is done. Drafting a QB is never an exact science. If it was guys like Herbert don't drop to #6, Allen doesn't drop to #7 and Mahomes doesn't drop to #10.

[Kinkotheclown]

You're the one who brought up team records while he was with the Raiders. Its hard to win with bad defenses and no running game. The Jets dont have that problem. The Raiders had an awful defense again last year despite Jacobs breaking out.

Josh McDaniels continually proves he's an awful head coach as well.

I agree that the Jets will probably be stuck with options at QB who aren't great but I hope that isn't the case because a guy like Mayfield puts them in a similar position as last year imo.

Today's news and op-eds are funny.
Two days ago, we saw, "The Jets need Rodgers". "Jets must sign Rodgers at all costs"...

Today, "Rodgers would be a bad move". "Striking out of Rodgers wouldn't be the end of the world"...

I always wonder if the FO leaks some stuff to sway opinion.

Rodgers or bust!!!

Nah. We don't need him.

[LVC]

You're the one who brought up team records while he was with the Raiders. Its hard to win with bad defenses and no running game. The Jets dont have that problem. The Raiders had an awful defense again last year despite Jacobs breaking out.

Josh McDaniels continually proves he's an awful head coach as well.

I agree that the Jets will probably be stuck with options at QB who aren't great but I hope that isn't the case because a guy like Mayfield puts them in a similar position as last year imo.

I brought up the records to say we could easily still have an 8-8 team with Carr as well. But Jets haven't had a run game really since Hall who is now recovering from major surgery. And yeah, McDaniels is an awful HC.

Would you say Mayfield is better than Mike White? And many fans seem to think we'd have had a chance for wild card/playoffs if White played the entire season. If Mayfield is better than White (which I would say he definitely is), then we'd have had just as good a chance of making the playoffs. I'm not in love with the idea but I'm looking at this from a realistic view as he may end up being a real possibility for the Jets if they can't land the better options.

[metswon69]

I brought up the records to say we could easily still have an 8-8 team with Carr as well. But Jets haven't had a run game really since Hall who is now recovering from major surgery. And yeah, McDaniels is an awful HC.

Would you say Mayfield is better than Mike White? And many fans seem to think we'd have had a chance for wild card/playoffs if White played the entire season. If Mayfield is better than White (which I would say he definitely is), then we'd have had just as good a chance of making the playoffs. I'm not in love with the idea but I'm looking at this from a realistic view as he may end up being a real possibility for the Jets if they can't land the better options.

If Carr came here, I think they easily win 10+ games and make the playoffs. As long he plays better than he did last year which I'd bet he would.

He has a better arm than Mike White and is probably more mobile but that's not saying a whole bunch. I still see a guy in Mayfield who misses a ton of throws, is turnover prone, and outside of 2020 hasn't been particularly great. I get what you're saying as I said it a few days ago that I'm not overly confident in their options but I just think Mayfield is more of the same mediocre play out of the QB position. He's a starter on a bad team and a backup on a team with playoff aspirations.

[LVC]

So If LaFleur's play calling wasn't enough to get him gone, maybe this was part of the treason

"Some talent evaluators within the organization didn't see Wilson as worthy of being the No. 2 pick, according to two sources familiar with the pre-draft process," Cimini wrote. They saw him as a developmental player who could be a starter within three years. Assistant GM Rex Hogan and then-offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur were the driving forces behind the decision to pick him second, they said."

"[LaFleur], along with Rex Hogan, were in 2021 draft meetings selling the narrative that there was a legit argument Wilson was better than [No. 1 overall pick] Trevor Lawrence," one source said. "[Some of us], we're like, 'What the f---?!' It's one thing to like a player; it's another to pump a prospect up higher than he actually is."

If that's true? It's still on JD but if LaFleur saw Wilson as that good and was pressing the gas, it is telling about him.
He was a first time OC desperate for a QB to help him make his career. No wonder their relationship was chilly.
Regardless, Wilson needs to go into the oven for any least a year and we can hope he comes out a finished product but at this point, he is looking like an all time bust.

I find it funny that they'd let an assisstant GM and rookie OC determine the future franchise QB...what the actual ****? This is why this organization is a joke. Or they're leaking this and using them as scapegoats for their incompetence because even if this were the case, they still never brought in a vet that could play an entire season if needed and/or to mentor wilson while he sat for a season. I wanted whoever they drafted to sit for a yr regardless bc of how they handled Darnold. But instead they went out there with a rookie HC, rookie OC and a rookie QB. The blind leading the blind leading the blind. It's inexcusable.

[metswon69]

Today's news and op-eds are funny.
Two days ago, we saw, "The Jets need Rodgers". "Jets must sign Rodgers at all costs"...

Today, "Rodgers would be a bad move". "Striking out of Rodgers wouldn't be the end of the world"...

I always wonder if the FO leaks some stuff to sway opinion.

Rodgers or bust!!!

Nah. We don't need him.

It will go back to being "The Jets need Rodgers" in a few days if Carr goes elsewhere.

The problem is Rodgers. He's so aloof and noncommittal that he makes it hard on the teams who have interest. No one knows what he is going to do. He enjoys all the attention he gets playing this game with the Packers and the media.

Having said all that, I do hope when he makes a decision that he wants to be traded here because he's still far better than any of the other options imo.

[LVC]

If Carr came here, I think they easily win 10+ games and make the playoffs. As long he plays better than he did last year which I'd bet he would.

He has a better arm than Mike White and is probably more mobile but that's not saying a whole bunch. I still see a guy in Mayfield who misses a ton of throws, is turnover prone, and outside of 2020 hasn't been particularly great. I get what you're saying as I said it a few days ago that I'm not overly confident in their options but I just think Mayfield is more of the same mediocre play out of the QB position. He's a starter on a bad team and a backup on a team with playoff aspirations.

I'm trying to be positive for once here lol. We haven't really seen Mayfield on a good team. And he has been to more playoff games than Carr and has more playoff wins than Carr. He played a hell of a game against the steelers and he almost beat the Chiefs (they lost by 5 pts). He was also 25 during this time and his 3rd yr in the league. Then in 2021 he dealt with significant injuries and missed a few games.

Then he's traded to the Panthers who were a mess. All within a week or 2 they fire Rhule (their HC), Mayfield suffers a high ankle sprain and misses time just a week before they trade away CMC and Robbie Anderson. Then he asks them to release him, which they do. The Rams claim him who were also a huge mess this season. I don't need to go through that timeline of events but the guy has been through a lot, so I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Interceptions are a concern but his turnover ratio wasn't bad in LA. So maybe a complete change of scenary, full OTAs and being on a team that may be finally turning things around could bring out the best in him. Again, he's only 27 and has had a pretty turmoil filled career so far but he's shown signs. Idk, maybe I'm just trying to cope and trick myself into thinking this isn't a bad fall back option. But we'll find out soon enough how all of this transpires.

[metswon69]

I'm trying to be positive for once here lol. We haven't really seen Mayfield on a good team. And he has been to more playoff games than Carr and has more playoff wins than Carr. He played a hell of a game against the steelers and he almost beat the Chiefs (they lost by 5 pts). He was also 25 during this time and his 3rd yr in the league. Then in 2021 he dealt with significant injuries and missed a few games.

Then he's traded to the Panthers who were a mess. All within a week or 2 they fire Rhule (their HC), Mayfield suffers a high ankle sprain and misses time just a week before they trade away CMC and Robbie Anderson. Then he asks them to release him, which they do. The Rams claim him who were also a huge mess this season. I don't need to go through that timeline of events but the guy has been through a lot, so I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Interceptions are a concern but his turnover ratio wasn't bad in LA. So maybe a complete change of scenary, full OTAs and being on a team that may be finally turning things around could bring out the best in him. Again, he's only 27 and has had a pretty turmoil filled career so far but he's shown signs. Idk, maybe I'm just trying to cope and trick myself into thinking this isn't a bad fall back option. But we'll find out soon enough how all of this transpires.

That was a loaded team though. Great O-line, 2 pro bowl caliber RBs, OBJ, and they spread the ball around. Maybe he's okay here but to me, he's just another placeholder and a guy that doesn't have that great of ceiling.
I get you can only sign who is available but my confidence level is zero in Baker Mayfield.

I appreciate where you're coming from. I would try my best to be positive as well and hope Baker could succeed here but I pray that's not the guy they get ultimately.

[LVC]

That was a loaded team though. Great O-line, 2 pro bowl caliber RBs, OBJ, and they spread the ball around. Maybe he's okay here but to me, he's just another placeholder and a guy that doesn't have that great of ceiling.
I get you can only sign who is available but my confidence level is zero in Baker Mayfield.

I appreciate where you're coming from. I would try my best to be positive as well and hope Baker could succeed here but I pray that's not the guy they get ultimately.

Besides our oline, we very well could have had 2 OROYson the ground and in the air, 1 DROY and we have other weapons that have been severely underutilized due to the QBs and playcalling. I don't see why he couldn't replicate the same success he's had before while here. And have we really seen his ceiling at 27 when all that's happened to him after that playoff season? Idk if I want to call that yet.