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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    That’d be a huge disappointment
    IMO Hall should be starting opposite Sauce, to me he was a well above average starter with Pro Bowl potential. I’d even argue he was our most consistent defender last year (in a good way)
    Well above average in the patchwork secondary of the Jets, yes.
    Well above average league-wise, not even close.

    He's solid but pump the brakes on pro-bowl talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    I wouldn’t really call Reed proven, he had 1.5 good seasons vs Hall’s 1
    Reed has had 2 proven solid years in a talented pass happy division.

    Hall is in a good spot where he is, a backup.
    He'll be able to take notes and improve when called upon.
    Nothing wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Reed has had 2 proven solid years in a talented pass happy division.

    Hall is in a good spot where he is, a backup.
    He'll be able to take notes and improve when called upon.
    Nothing wrong with that.
    I do agree scheme and package will play a part of this but Hall ranked very high in press/man and I think he is better than Reed in that aspect.
    What I didn't realize was how good of a tackler Reed is and how good vs the run he is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I do agree scheme and package will play a part of this but Hall ranked very high in press/man and I think he is better than Reed in that aspect.
    What I didn't realize was how good of a tackler Reed is and how good vs the run he is.
    Reed has also played against better QBs and WRs as a whole.

    Think about it, as a CB you should be better in the AFC east than in the NFC west, just due to the talent difference.
    And Reed was very good there, against some of the best the NFL has to offer.

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    Let me make this clear:
    Hall is a legit talent.
    I like him as a player.

    But some of you Jets fans have this thing where you think just because we draft a guy that makes him better than nearly all other options.
    And that's what's happening here.

    Case in point, Jordan Jenkins.
    I said the Jets needed to move on from him.
    Many argued how he was a 9-10+ sack guy and always wanted to resign him, and whenever the Jets did, they threw it in my face, to the production of nothing noteworthy.
    All because he was our guy.

    Jeremy Kerley.
    I said he was decent but limited and the Jets could do better.
    Many argued Kerley would be elite on another team.
    All because he was our guy.

    I get it, we draft them, we believe they can be great.
    But just because we draft them does not automatically make them better than other players that are attainable.
    Hall is good, Reed is better.
    But because Hall is our guy, people don't want to see past it.

    We're all do it to an extent.
    Quincy Williams may not have been drafted by the Jets, but he is my guy.
    Are there better LBs in the league, yes.
    If the Jets got one would I still argue for Quincy, you damn right.
    It doesn't necessarily make him better though.

    As is the case of Reed and Hall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Let me make this clear:
    Hall is a legit talent.
    I like him as a player.

    But some of you Jets fans have this thing where you think just because we draft a guy that makes him better than nearly all other options.
    And that's what's happening here.

    Case in point, Jordan Jenkins.
    I said the Jets needed to move on from him.
    Many argued how he was a 9-10+ sack guy and always wanted to resign him, and whenever the Jets did, they threw it in my face, to the production of nothing noteworthy.
    All because he was our guy.

    Jeremy Kerley.
    I said he was decent but limited and the Jets could do better.
    Many argued Kerley would be elite on another team.
    All because he was our guy.

    I get it, we draft them, we believe they can be great.
    But just because we draft them does not automatically make them better than other players that are attainable.
    Hall is good, Reed is better.
    But because Hall is our guy, people don't want to see past it.

    We're all do it to an extent.
    Quincy Williams may not have been drafted by the Jets, but he is my guy.
    Are there better LBs in the league, yes.
    If the Jets got one would I still argue for Quincy, you damn right.
    It doesn't necessarily make him better though.

    As is the case of Reed and Hall.

    Cant argue there


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    haha delusional
    Someone underestimated the jets!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Let me make this clear:
    Hall is a legit talent.
    I like him as a player.

    But some of you Jets fans have this thing where you think just because we draft a guy that makes him better than nearly all other options.
    And that's what's happening here.

    Case in point, Jordan Jenkins.
    I said the Jets needed to move on from him.
    Many argued how he was a 9-10+ sack guy and always wanted to resign him, and whenever the Jets did, they threw it in my face, to the production of nothing noteworthy.
    All because he was our guy.

    Jeremy Kerley.
    I said he was decent but limited and the Jets could do better.
    Many argued Kerley would be elite on another team.
    All because he was our guy.

    I get it, we draft them, we believe they can be great.
    But just because we draft them does not automatically make them better than other players that are attainable.
    Hall is good, Reed is better.
    But because Hall is our guy, people don't want to see past it.

    We're all do it to an extent.
    Quincy Williams may not have been drafted by the Jets, but he is my guy.
    Are there better LBs in the league, yes.
    If the Jets got one would I still argue for Quincy, you damn right.
    It doesn't necessarily make him better though.

    As is the case of Reed and Hall.
    I always felt like Bryce Hall last year was only starting because quite honestly, there wasn't much in the secondary. As I stated before, Saleh and Joe Douglas looked at the secondary as a place where, "Let's not do much there, see what these young kids can do, and if they work out, great. If they don't, we need upgrades." I think when you look at the fact that JD spent 7 million a year on Jordan Whitehead on a 2 year, 14 million dollar deal, 3 years, 33 million (11 million per year) for DJ Reed, and drafted Sauce Gardner with the #4 overall pick, I think it's a very safe assumption that Robert Saleh and Joe Douglas were not happy much with the play of the secondary. There were times last year where I look at the secondary and quite honestly, Marcus Maye was the only one that deserved to be out there starting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccugrad1 View Post
    I always felt like Bryce Hall last year was only starting because quite honestly, there wasn't much in the secondary. As I stated before, Saleh and Joe Douglas looked at the secondary as a place where, "Let's not do much there, see what these young kids can do, and if they work out, great. If they don't, we need upgrades." I think when you look at the fact that JD spent 7 million a year on Jordan Whitehead on a 2 year, 14 million dollar deal, 3 years, 33 million (11 million per year) for DJ Reed, and drafted Sauce Gardner with the #4 overall pick, I think it's a very safe assumption that Robert Saleh and Joe Douglas were not happy much with the play of the secondary. There were times last year where I look at the secondary and quite honestly, Marcus Maye was the only one that deserved to be out there starting.
    Positive side, our depth is not bad in the secondary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bwallstreet View Post
    haha delusional
    Someone underestimated the jets!

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    You guys are insane if you think Hall is going to play over Reed in any type of way. Sauce and Reed will be 1 and 2… I have a feeling Carter will be our main slot. Hall is nothing more than a depth piece now.

    What will be interesting is to see if Reed will play in the slot at all… then we would see Hall on the outside

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Well above average in the patchwork secondary of the Jets, yes.
    Well above average league-wise, not even close.

    He's solid but pump the brakes on pro-bowl talk.
    I should have been more clear
    Last year he was a well above average starter
    Going forward, assuming he builds upon his 1.5 seasons of experience, he will be in pro bowl contention

    He was a 1st round talent that fell due to injury, he’s no 5th rounder that shocked people
    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...and-in-top-10/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Reed has had 2 proven solid years in a talented pass happy division.

    Hall is in a good spot where he is, a backup.
    He'll be able to take notes and improve when called upon.
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Teams didn’t throw at Reed because whoever the box safety was covering, the ball was thrown to

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccugrad1 View Post
    I always felt like Bryce Hall last year was only starting because quite honestly, there wasn't much in the secondary. As I stated before, Saleh and Joe Douglas looked at the secondary as a place where, "Let's not do much there, see what these young kids can do, and if they work out, great. If they don't, we need upgrades." I think when you look at the fact that JD spent 7 million a year on Jordan Whitehead on a 2 year, 14 million dollar deal, 3 years, 33 million (11 million per year) for DJ Reed, and drafted Sauce Gardner with the #4 overall pick, I think it's a very safe assumption that Robert Saleh and Joe Douglas were not happy much with the play of the secondary. There were times last year where I look at the secondary and quite honestly, Marcus Maye was the only one that deserved to be out there starting.
    3 yr $33M doesn’t scream we need to fix the CB position in today’s NFL DB money. To me, they saw Reed as a good player that made the secondary better and could start opposite Hall if Sauce is drafted ahead of us. Alternatively if we draft Sauce, the investment in Reed is not extreme (can easily cut him after 2 years) and I’d imagine he can play the slot receiver

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    Teams didn’t throw at Reed because whoever the box safety was covering, the ball was thrown to
    Teams didn't throw at Hall because of whoever the rest of the patchwork secondary was covering, the ball was thrown too.
    Last edited by MrX27; 05-27-2022 at 08:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    3 yr $33M doesn’t scream we need to fix the CB position in today’s NFL DB money. To me, they saw Reed as a good player that made the secondary better and could start opposite Hall if Sauce is drafted ahead of us. Alternatively if we draft Sauce, the investment in Reed is not extreme (can easily cut him after 2 years) and I’d imagine he can play the slot receiver
    Spending $33m/3 yrs sounds like an upgrade was needed over all the CBs, including Hall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Let me make this clear:
    Hall is a legit talent.
    I like him as a player.

    But some of you Jets fans have this thing where you think just because we draft a guy that makes him better than nearly all other options.
    And that's what's happening here.

    Case in point, Jordan Jenkins.
    I said the Jets needed to move on from him.
    Many argued how he was a 9-10+ sack guy and always wanted to resign him, and whenever the Jets did, they threw it in my face, to the production of nothing noteworthy.
    All because he was our guy.

    Jeremy Kerley.
    I said he was decent but limited and the Jets could do better.
    Many argued Kerley would be elite on another team.
    All because he was our guy.

    I get it, we draft them, we believe they can be great.
    But just because we draft them does not automatically make them better than other players that are attainable.
    Hall is good, Reed is better.
    But because Hall is our guy, people don't want to see past it.

    We're all do it to an extent.
    Quincy Williams may not have been drafted by the Jets, but he is my guy.
    Are there better LBs in the league, yes.
    If the Jets got one would I still argue for Quincy, you damn right.
    It doesn't necessarily make him better though.

    As is the case of Reed and Hall.
    Great points. No argument here.



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