Jets talk

[LVC]

I had already moved on and have been discussing other potential QB options but brooklyn67 still wants to bring up nonsense to get in the last word.

[metswon69]

Earlier this week, the NFL revealed its 2023 salary cap. Teams can now budget for their offseasons, knowing a $224.8MM ceiling is in place. This year’s nonexclusive franchise and transition tag numbers also emerged, giving teams more clarity on those fronts as well. With that in mind, here is where every team stands in terms of cap space:

Chicago Bears: $90.91MM
Atlanta Falcons: $56.42MM
New York Giants: $44.28MM
Houston Texans: $37.56MM
Cincinnati Bengals: $35.55MM
New England Patriots: $32.71MM
Seattle Seahawks: $31.04MM
Baltimore Ravens: $26.87MM
Las Vegas Raiders: $19.78MM
Arizona Cardinals: $14.47MM
Kansas City Chiefs: $13.96MM
Detroit Lions: $13.83MM
Indianapolis Colts: $12.59MM
Denver Broncos: $9.07MM
San Francisco 49ers: $8.28MM
Washington Commanders: $8.24MM
Philadelphia Eagles: $4.24MM
Pittsburgh Steelers: $1.03MM
New York Jets: $1.31MM over the cap
Dallas Cowboys: $7.18MM over
Carolina Panthers: $8.94MM over
Los Angeles Rams: $14.19MM over
Cleveland Browns: $14.64MM over
Miami Dolphins: $16.45MM over
Green Bay Packers: $16.48MM over
Buffalo Bills: $17.88MM over
Los Angeles Chargers: $20.38MM over
Jacksonville Jaguars: $22.35MM over
Minnesota Vikings: $23.43MM over
Tennessee Titans: $23.67MM over
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $55.03MM over
New Orleans Saints: $60.47MM over
These figures (courtesy of OverTheCap) will change dramatically in the coming weeks, but this is where each team stands ahead of Super Bowl LVII. After that point, cap-casualty cuts can begin taking place. Restructures, extensions and trades will commence as well,

I'm not too worried about cap space. The Jets will cut players like Lawson, Davis, Berrios, etc and can restructure current players to get more space. I saw a Jets Youtuber lay out how the Jets could create 60 million dollars in cap space this offseason if they reworked certain current deals and released others.

Obviously they have to bring back Quinnen but the cap isn't going anywhere but up for the foreseeable future.

[Kinkotheclown]

"And the troll is back!

Those who didn't get it are also sheep, they were just led by a different shepherd"

Hmmm...I wonder who you could be inferring to here? And based on your previous comments thinking I was a trump supporter. And lol racists comments...using the name of the sports team that has been in existence for almost 90 years until just a year ago or so. Yet all the fans that come to the stadium in old jerseys are racists because they have a depiction of an indigenous indian on them, right? Gimme a break. Even on Clinton Portis's wikipedia page it still says Washington Redskins. And no, I don't vote anything related to the US period. We have enough corruption and bs artists here ourselves to worry about. Why don't you ask some people here on the island how they feel about the US govt.

No, I was not referring to any individual when I said, another shepherd. It was a metaphor.
(You know. It could be politicians, media pundits, bloggers, celebrities...)
Funny you said you didn't use racist language (which isn't what I said) but left out not being all those other things in the quote to which you responded.

[Kinkotheclown]

I'm not too worried about cap space. The Jets will cut players like Lawson, Davis, Berrios, etc and can restructure current players to get more space. I saw a Jets Youtuber lay out how the Jets could create 60 million dollars in cap space this offseason if they reworked certain current deals and released others.

Obviously they have to bring back Quinnen but the cap isn't going anywhere but up for the foreseeable future.

Will they FT him? I hope not. Give him 4-5 years and get it done

If they can free at least 45, they should be good

[MrX27]

What is going on here..... I leave for a few days and its a war zone in here.

Can't we all just agree that Woody Allen is innocent and did nothing wrong!

[Larry M]

Will they FT him? I hope not. Give him 4-5 years and get it done

If they can free at least 45, they should be good

QW is still under his rookie contract. QW is lobbying for a long term deal
Let’s see if the Jets oblige

[Kinkotheclown]

What is going on here..... I leave for a few days and its a war zone in here.

Can't we all just agree that Woody Allen is innocent and did nothing wrong!

I will agree on one of those two things!
But only if we agree to free Roman Polanski

[Kinkotheclown]

QW is still under his rookie contract. QW is lobbying for a long term deal
Let’s see if the Jets oblige

I didn't realize that!! That's actually amazing. I think he should be paid. However, the cut throat part of me thinks, "he's not sitting for 3 years". So if the jets have him this year and could FT him for the following 2? That's effectively a 3 year deal.
Now, would he take a 4-5 year deal at a bit of a reduced rate if they bumped him this year?
What would be realistic for him?
4 years for 80-100? 5 for 120? (I don't think he should get Donald money)
If they could get him at 4 for 90 or 5 for 100-120, it might be the way to go.

Then again, they have him for 10 this year and likely the FT will be around 12-14? (I think I read it correctly that the FT is 120% of their highest salary or the league average.)
So 3 years at under 40 mil?
I am guessing he and his agent know this well and maybe they ask for something in the 18 per range for 4-5 years. The jets should jump on that. It would only be an 8 mil hit to the salary cap this year.

Thank you for reminding me. I was thinking they had to allocate 25 for him and that wouldn't leave too much to help elsewhere. Knowing he's on the books makes 40 mil go way farther!

[lamonster]

I didn't realize that!! That's actually amazing. I think he should be paid. However, the cut throat part of me thinks, "he's not sitting for 3 years". So if the jets have him this year and could FT him for the following 2? That's effectively a 3 year deal.
Now, would he take a 4-5 year deal at a bit of a reduced rate if they bumped him this year?
What would be realistic for him?
4 years for 80-100? 5 for 120? (I don't think he should get Donald money)
If they could get him at 4 for 90 or 5 for 100-120, it might be the way to go.

Then again, they have him for 10 this year and likely the FT will be around 12-14? (I think I read it correctly that the FT is 120% of their highest salary or the league average.)
So 3 years at under 40 mil?
I am guessing he and his agent know this well and maybe they ask for something in the 18 per range for 4-5 years. The jets should jump on that. It would only be an 8 mil hit to the salary cap this year.

Thank you for reminding me. I was thinking they had to allocate 25 for him and that wouldn't leave too much to help elsewhere. Knowing he's on the books makes 40 mil go way farther!

That sets a very bad precedent by the Jets. Other players will notice how they don't take care of their own. I understood it with Adams, because he is a safety, but they need to do right by QW.

[metswon69]

As much as I want Rodgers, he and the Packers have to make a decision soon on whether they plan on being together next year or not. The last thing the Jets need is to be stuck with guys like Mayfield, Brissett, Tannehill, etc as QB options because guys like Carr, Garapolo, etc went elsewhere.

[Larry M]

I didn't realize that!! That's actually amazing. I think he should be paid. However, the cut throat part of me thinks, "he's not sitting for 3 years". So if the jets have him this year and could FT him for the following 2? That's effectively a 3 year deal.
Now, would he take a 4-5 year deal at a bit of a reduced rate if they bumped him this year?
What would be realistic for him?
4 years for 80-100? 5 for 120? (I don't think he should get Donald money)
If they could get him at 4 for 90 or 5 for 100-120, it might be the way to go.

Then again, they have him for 10 this year and likely the FT will be around 12-14? (I think I read it correctly that the FT is 120% of their highest salary or the league average.)
So 3 years at under 40 mil?
I am guessing he and his agent know this well and maybe they ask for something in the 18 per range for 4-5 years. The jets should jump on that. It would only be an 8 mil hit to the salary cap this year.

Thank you for reminding me. I was thinking they had to allocate 25 for him and that wouldn't leave too much to help elsewhere. Knowing he's on the books makes 40 mil go way farther!

Yup, we have him this year on his rookie contract of $9.6M (I believe the “5th year option”)
Next year a DT franchise tag would be estimated to be $21.4M (up from $19M for 2023 season), the 2025 season let’s say is $26M with the 120% premium for players tagged a second time

I know players hate it, but he could be constrained by the Jets for 3 years totaling $57M (2023 through 2025 seasons)

We could look at the DeForest Buckner and Chris Jones deals as a recent comps from 2020 for interior defensive lineman. I agree Donald is on another planet and is not a reasonable comp
Buckner: Similar draft status, sack totals similar too, he sighed a 4/$84M ($44M guaranteed) contract extension for his age 26 season (2020)
Jones: Similar sack totals, he signed a 4 year $80M contract ($60M guaranteed) contract for his age 26 season (2020)

Looking at the above deals, I believe Jones took less AAV in order to get a higher guaranteed contract vs Buckner who can be released today with no dead money despite the higher AAV

For QW, following similar players from just 2.5 years ago, a comparable deal would be 4 years $90M. Add in Bidenflation, 4 years $900000M…just kidding, or not

However, I think we’re looking at a 6 year deal (5 year extension). An additional 2 years to soften the blow on the cap. Would 6 year $126M ($65M guaranteed) get it done? I think that might make everyone happy, it’s a headline grabbing deal that “resets” the interior defensive lineman market, QW has bragging rights, and the team has the flexibility to get out of or restructure the deal down the line

[Larry M]

I didn't realize that!! That's actually amazing. I think he should be paid. However, the cut throat part of me thinks, "he's not sitting for 3 years". So if the jets have him this year and could FT him for the following 2? That's effectively a 3 year deal.
Now, would he take a 4-5 year deal at a bit of a reduced rate if they bumped him this year?
What would be realistic for him?
4 years for 80-100? 5 for 120? (I don't think he should get Donald money)
If they could get him at 4 for 90 or 5 for 100-120, it might be the way to go.

Then again, they have him for 10 this year and likely the FT will be around 12-14? (I think I read it correctly that the FT is 120% of their highest salary or the league average.)
So 3 years at under 40 mil?
I am guessing he and his agent know this well and maybe they ask for something in the 18 per range for 4-5 years. The jets should jump on that. It would only be an 8 mil hit to the salary cap this year.

Thank you for reminding me. I was thinking they had to allocate 25 for him and that wouldn't leave too much to help elsewhere. Knowing he's on the books makes 40 mil go way farther!

We do have to sign QUINCY Williams…you may be thinking of him

It would be cool if the Jets signed both on the same day

[Larry M]

As much as I want Rodgers, he and the Packers have to make a decision soon on whether they plan on being together next year or not. The last thing the Jets need is to be stuck with guys like Mayfield, Brissett, Tannehill, etc as QB options because guys like Carr, Garapolo, etc went elsewhere.

It’s going to be a very stressful few weeks

[Kinkotheclown]

That sets a very bad precedent by the Jets. Other players will notice how they don't take care of their own. I understood it with Adams, because he is a safety, but they need to do right by QW.

Personally, I totally agree. I want hem to get him signed long term. My question is, what do people think would get that done? If he's looking for 25+ per? It's tough.
5 at 100? Is a big raise for him, would pay him top of the market (aside from Donald).
5 at 110 or 4 at 90 would, I believe, make him the second highest paid DL after Donald

I agree, don't mess around with him.
My scenario was looking from a pure cutthroat, perspective. They have him for 3 years if they want him. They don't need to give him a deal.
I absolutely think it's better to get him a deal that they can live with and that makes him happy

[Kinkotheclown]

We do have to sign QUINCY Williams…you may be thinking of him

It would be cool if the Jets signed both on the same day

That would be fun. Seeing them sitting next to each other, grinning ear to ear.

I was thinking Quintin. Thanks for the facts!
I agree, Quincey is a must have.