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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Point taken. Another hurdle, getting consensus within the party! Maddening.
    His problem is, in passing such a large social bill, he doesn't have a supermajority in Congress that LBJ and FDR had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    His problem is, in passing such a large social bill, he doesn't have a supermajority in Congress that LBJ and FDR had.
    Agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    His problem is, in passing such a large social bill, he doesn't have a supermajority in Congress that LBJ and FDR had.
    Yes, LBJ had a Democratice majority in 1964 and 1965, but the Southern Democrats in the House and the Senate voted pretty much as a bloc against both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and The Economic Opportunity Act of 1965. Johnson’s passing of both those bills required the vast majority of Republican Senators to vote “Yea”.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s443

    https://www.archives.gov/legislative...roll-call.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Yes, LBJ had a Democratice majority in 1964 and 1965, but the Southern Democrats in the House and the Senate voted pretty much as a bloc against both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and The Economic Opportunity Act of 1965. Johnson’s passing of both those bills required the vast majority of Republican Senators to vote “Yea”.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s443

    https://www.archives.gov/legislative...roll-call.html
    Sure that would be considered a Leftist bill but a better comparison would be to his Domestic agenda "The Great Society and his War on Poverty" which were more encompassing?
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    I bet we never see republicans cross the aisles to pass a democratic President's policy. Can you imagine Greene and McCarthy stepping in for Manchin and Sinema to get the "Human infrastructure" pass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Nicky I didn't. But I truly believe he is far better for the country than the orange dotard. I have far less sleepless nights worrying.

    I am more upset with the party. They finally have control of the WH, House and Senate and fail to wield the axe! VP Harris is the tie breaker as well. They have the power. Use it.

    PS Jimmy Carter was not a bad president. He was an angelic figure at a time when the country needed reassurance in the honesty and legitimacy of their president. He faced epic challenges—the energy crisis, Soviet aggression, Iran, and above all, a deep mistrust of leadership by the citizens. He was hard working and conscientious. He became more popular post presidency as a humanitarian.
    Jimmy Carter is Ned Stark. Honorable, honest, and kind.

    Unfortunately none of these things make a great president.

    Love Jimmy but he shot himself in the foot politically.

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    I'd add why people are wrong in saying "Biden is worse than Obama and Trump". But there's no substantive critique in those posts.

    The people saying this are the ones that would be expected to, and had made up there mind before the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I bet we never see republicans cross the aisles to pass a democratic President's policy. Can you imagine Greene and McCarthy stepping in for Manchin and Sinema to get the "Human infrastructure" pass?
    They don’t need to appeal to Manchin. His natural political alignment from West Virginia just sort of makes it easier for them to work with him. And if we had more than 50 votes he could run on fighting Democrats on hot button issues while voting for the general agenda. He votes for Biden judges and has voted with him 100% of the time on legislation but he needs a 51st Democrat as much as we do. The performative dance he does is delicate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Point taken. Another hurdle, getting consensus within the party! Maddening.
    During the campaign last year, AOC was quoted as saying that in another country, she and Biden wouldn't be in the same party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    Jimmy Carter is Ned Stark. Honorable, honest, and kind.

    Unfortunately none of these things make a great president.

    Love Jimmy but he shot himself in the foot politically.
    Can you have a great president without those qualities? Honor, honesty, humility, compassion. He was precisely what the country needed at the time to restore faith and confidence in the office. He was not a prototypical Beltway politician by any stretch.

    Stark was judgmental and hypocritical, not the best analogy imo.

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    By the way, Obama has scolded Biden's "Open Borders" policy, that he campaigned on:
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/obama...-unsustainable
    From the article:
    In speaking with “Good Morning America” co-anchor Robin Roberts, Obama said that the horrifying images of as many as 15,000 illegal aliens being trapped under a bridge in Del Rio, Texas, at one time — and up to 30,000 in the area in total since September 9 — were “a painful reminder that we don’t have this right yet and we’ve got more work to do.”
    Obama said that while Biden was “big-hearted,” that it was time to “get serious about dealing with this problem in a systemic way, as opposed to these one-offs where we’re constantly reacting to emergencies.”

    “Immigration is tough. It always has been because, on the one hand, I think we are naturally a people that wants to help others. And we see tragedy and hardship and families that are desperately trying to get here so that their kids are safe, and they’re in some cases fleeing violence or catastrophe,” Obama added. “At the same time, we’re a nation state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that … as a practical matter, is unsustainable.”

    Obama’s comments come as illegal aliens have flooded the border in record numbers under Biden, according to the Department of Homeland Security. The last two months alone have seen more than 200,000 apprehensions of illegal aliens each month by federal law enforcement officials.

    And, according to Jen Psaki, very few of these immigrants are tested, quarantined and vaccinated for Covid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    During the campaign last year, AOC was quoted as saying that in another country, she and Biden wouldn't be in the same party.
    AOC isn't the issue here though. Sinema and Manchin are. The other issue is a majority of the house, a majority of the American public, and the oval office want the infrastructure bill passed but that's not enough to get past this type of gridlock. What the hell is the point in Democracy if all of those factors lead to nothing?
    Last edited by metswon69; 10-02-2021 at 10:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    During the campaign last year, AOC was quoted as saying that in another country, she and Biden wouldn't be in the same party.
    True. An inherent absurdity of a two party system. The party is too broad to adequately and accurately represent the moderate, the centrists and the further left in the party. Imo there is a genuine need for a viable third and even fourth party.

    Recall at the time she was a member of the Democratic Party as well as the Democratic Socialists of America. She delineates clearly those on the inside and those on the outside of the Democratic party. As does Bernie.

    What she has been able to voice on a national stage; centrist D's can no longer completely ignore the need for greater regulation and redistribution of wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    AOC isn't the issue here though. Sinema and Manchin are. The issue is a majority of the house, a majority of the American public, and the oval office want the infrastructure bill passed but that's not enough to get past this type of gridlock. What the hell is the point in Democracy if all of those factors lead to nothing?
    Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    By the way, Obama has scolded Biden's "Open Borders" policy, that he campaigned on:
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/obama...-unsustainable
    From the article:
    In speaking with “Good Morning America” co-anchor Robin Roberts, Obama said that the horrifying images of as many as 15,000 illegal aliens being trapped under a bridge in Del Rio, Texas, at one time — and up to 30,000 in the area in total since September 9 — were “a painful reminder that we don’t have this right yet and we’ve got more work to do.”
    Obama said that while Biden was “big-hearted,” that it was time to “get serious about dealing with this problem in a systemic way, as opposed to these one-offs where we’re constantly reacting to emergencies.”

    “Immigration is tough. It always has been because, on the one hand, I think we are naturally a people that wants to help others. And we see tragedy and hardship and families that are desperately trying to get here so that their kids are safe, and they’re in some cases fleeing violence or catastrophe,” Obama added. “At the same time, we’re a nation state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that … as a practical matter, is unsustainable.”

    Obama’s comments come as illegal aliens have flooded the border in record numbers under Biden, according to the Department of Homeland Security. The last two months alone have seen more than 200,000 apprehensions of illegal aliens each month by federal law enforcement officials.

    And, according to Jen Psaki, very few of these immigrants are tested, quarantined and vaccinated for Covid.
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