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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Lolwut? The eye test literally shows the Earth isn't flat. That's pretty much how ancient civilisations knew it was spherical by observing the fact that you can't see the entire world from a tower. That'd be like saying a QB is good because of the eye test without seeing the full play.
    There is no record of the concept of a round planet prior to Greek civilization. So no, ancient civilizations all considered the Earth to be flat. Further, the Greeks proved it with astronomy and math, not by looking off of a tower. Your claim here is just utterly laughable, because regardless of flat or round Earth, you would not be able to see the whole world from a tower. The human eye can detect light from a distance of approximately 1.6 miles.

    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    This might be the worst take ever posted on PSD. A WR who gets too much deep separation is bad but the not the **** QB who couldn't accurately hit him that far. Every QB in the league can throw a ball 60 yards, minimum. If they can't do it with any accuracy, that's their fault.
    With your prior comment about the tower, this particular ignorance makes sense. An NFL field is 53 1/3 yards wide. A 60 yard pass will almost never go 60 yards downfield.

    The average accuracy range of an NFL QB is actually 55 yards and most QBs cannot accurately throw more than 70 yards (again, distance of throw, not downfield yardage).
    Dak: 17,634 @ 66.0%, 7.7 per att, 106+24 TD, 40 INT+34 FMB, 97.3 Rate
    Wentz: 16,811 @ 62.7%, 6.7 per att, 113+8 TD, 50 INT+58 FMB, 89.2 Rate

    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    I'll eat a shoe if BB is still coaching in 5 years.
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    IF Wentz is a Philadelphia Eagle in 2021, he will be the starter. If not, bye bye PSD, I'll leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    Eye test says Earth is flat. All I see is flat in all directions.

    Those fancy "stats" on the internet says the Earth is round though. They're too dang confusing.
    Actually one can see the Earth is round using the "eye test".

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Actually one can see the Earth is round using the "eye test".
    Lmao.. was about to say the same thing. In fact one way people used the “eye test” to tell that the world isn’t flat is by watching ships sail off into the open seas and eventually you’d slowly see less and less of the bottom of their ship to the top till eventually it was completely out of sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QQQ View Post
    Lmao.. was about to say the same thing. In fact one way people used the “eye test” to tell that the world isn’t flat is by watching ships sail off into the open seas and eventually you’d slowly see less and less of the bottom of their ship to the top till eventually it was completely out of sight.
    Which is why people believed Columbus was going to sail over the edge and fall off, right? :eyeroll:

    In practice, this method is not reliable because of variations in atmospheric refraction, which is how much the atmosphere bends light traveling through it. Refraction can give the impression that Earth's surface is flat, curved more convexly than it is, or even that it is concave. This is what happened in various trials of the famous Bedford Level experiment.
    Again, the actual way Greeks and Romans determined the Earth was round was by having people in different places observe and chart the night sky on the same night and compare the locations of the stars. Leveraging Pythagorean Mathematics and knowing the distances between the locations of observation, the curvature of the planet was calculated.

    The same people believed the Earth was the center of the universe though, which they believed was why gravity existed and pulled things "down" on Earth. They believed the Earth was completely stationary, and the sun, moon and stars revolved around the Earth.

    1,700 years later Columbus actually studied these same works and rejected them. Their math was wrong and they believed the Earth was 3x larger than it actually was. Otherwise Columbus would have never gone on his journey because he would have run out of supplies before reaching his destination.
    Dak: 17,634 @ 66.0%, 7.7 per att, 106+24 TD, 40 INT+34 FMB, 97.3 Rate
    Wentz: 16,811 @ 62.7%, 6.7 per att, 113+8 TD, 50 INT+58 FMB, 89.2 Rate

    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    I'll eat a shoe if BB is still coaching in 5 years.
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    Sticking to traditions:

    IF Wentz is a Philadelphia Eagle in 2021, he will be the starter. If not, bye bye PSD, I'll leave.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    There is no record of the concept of a round planet prior to Greek civilization. So no, ancient civilizations all considered the Earth to be flat. Further, the Greeks proved it with astronomy and math, not by looking off of a tower. Your claim here is just utterly laughable, because regardless of flat or round Earth, you would not be able to see the whole world from a tower. The human eye can detect light from a distance of approximately 1.6 miles.



    With your prior comment about the tower, this particular ignorance makes sense. An NFL field is 53 1/3 yards wide. A 60 yard pass will almost never go 60 yards downfield.

    The average accuracy range of an NFL QB is actually 55 yards and most QBs cannot accurately throw more than 70 yards (again, distance of throw, not downfield yardage).
    Yeah, the ANCIENT Greeks in ~500BC. If that's not an ancient civilization, I guess you'll have to enlighten me on what is. I'm a little hazy on the details, but calculating the distance to the horizon was a method used due to the fact that they could see curvature (or rather what appears to be disappearing ground) at great heights. You can also see the same effect on the ocean. If the Earth were flat you would see an obstruction rather than disappearing due to curvature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    With your prior comment about the tower, this particular ignorance makes sense. An NFL field is 53 1/3 yards wide. A 60 yard pass will almost never go 60 yards downfield.

    The average accuracy range of an NFL QB is actually 55 yards and most QBs cannot accurately throw more than 70 yards (again, distance of throw, not downfield yardage).
    Whatever makes you feel like you're correct. Nobody needs a geometry lesson, but the throw was literally down the middle of the field and probably under 45 air yards. Regardless there's no such thing as a WR running too fast on a post route, it's the QBs responsibility to deliver the ball before he's out of his target range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    Which is why people believed Columbus was going to sail over the edge and fall off, right? :eyeroll:



    Again, the actual way Greeks and Romans determined the Earth was round was by having people in different places observe and chart the night sky on the same night and compare the locations of the stars. Leveraging Pythagorean Mathematics and knowing the distances between the locations of observation, the curvature of the planet was calculated.

    The same people believed the Earth was the center of the universe though, which they believed was why gravity existed and pulled things "down" on Earth. They believed the Earth was completely stationary, and the sun, moon and stars revolved around the Earth.

    1,700 years later Columbus actually studied these same works and rejected them. Their math was wrong and they believed the Earth was 3x larger than it actually was. Otherwise Columbus would have never gone on his journey because he would have run out of supplies before reaching his destination.
    Just use the eye test bruh: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/f...29_ys_full.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    The argument is about what matters more.

    But I would never dismiss someone's argument based solely on the eye test, whereas I would dismiss arguments based solely on stats. That's not to say that any conclusion from watching someone play is legitimate.
    Eye test if it's from someone who isn't a fan of the team. Those homer goggles can make people see weird things

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Yeah, the ANCIENT Greeks in ~500BC. If that's not an ancient civilization, I guess you'll have to enlighten me on what is.
    Ancient civilization refers specifically to the first settled and stable communities that became the basis for later states, nations, and empires.


    Proto Indo Europeans, for example, are ancient civilizations. If there is a named state or nation (like the Greeks) they aren't an ancient civilization.

    The term "ancient Greek" is just differentiating between "modern Greek" but has largely been replaced with the term "archaic Greek" because of the very confusion you're experiencing. Eras of Greek history also include "classical Greece" "Hellenistic Greece" and "medieval Greece".


    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    I'm a little hazy on the details, but calculating the distance to the horizon was a method used due to the fact that they could see curvature (or rather what appears to be disappearing ground) at great heights. You can also see the same effect on the ocean. If the Earth were flat you would see an obstruction rather than disappearing due to curvature.
    In practice, this method is not reliable because of variations in atmospheric refraction, which is how much the atmosphere bends light traveling through it. Refraction can give the impression that Earth's surface is flat, curved more convexly than it is, or even that it is concave. This is what happened in various trials of the famous Bedford Level experiment.
    Dak: 17,634 @ 66.0%, 7.7 per att, 106+24 TD, 40 INT+34 FMB, 97.3 Rate
    Wentz: 16,811 @ 62.7%, 6.7 per att, 113+8 TD, 50 INT+58 FMB, 89.2 Rate

    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    I'll eat a shoe if BB is still coaching in 5 years.
    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Sticking to traditions:

    IF Wentz is a Philadelphia Eagle in 2021, he will be the starter. If not, bye bye PSD, I'll leave.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
    -Scott van Pelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    Ancient civilization refers specifically to the first settled and stable communities that became the basis for later states, nations, and empires.


    Proto Indo Europeans, for example, are ancient civilizations. If there is a named state or nation (like the Greeks) they aren't an ancient civilization.

    The term "ancient Greek" is just differentiating between "modern Greek" but has largely been replaced with the term "archaic Greek" because of the very confusion you're experiencing. Eras of Greek history also include "classical Greece" "Hellenistic Greece" and "medieval Greece".




    In practice, this method is not reliable because of variations in atmospheric refraction, which is how much the atmosphere bends light traveling through it. Refraction can give the impression that Earth's surface is flat, curved more convexly than it is, or even that it is concave. This is what happened in various trials of the famous Bedford Level experiment.
    I'm pretty sure Proto Indo Europeans were considered a society, not a civilization. Theres also not a lot of concrete information on them in general.

    Without either of us pretending to have an ancient history degree, we can both agree Ancient Greece was one of the first handful of true civilizations. It appears on pretty much every search for ancient civilizations, ancient history, and ancient great powers. Unless you've got something that clearly says Ancient Greece isn't an ancient civilization, it looks like a gray area at best.

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    The MVP Race at this point is between Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel20 View Post
    The MVP Race at this point is between Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes ...
    The MVP favorite is always the last QB to have played the Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    The MVP favorite is always the last QB to have played the Jets.


    its so sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    The MVP favorite is always the last QB to have played the Jets.
    Breaking News!!! Mahomes had 2,315 passing yards and 21 Touchdowns to 1 interception against the Jets yesterday.

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    I wonder how voting would go if say Pittsburgh were to go like 15-1 and no one else finiahed better than 13-3 or 12-4. Does anyone from Pitt pick up MVP votes?

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