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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    I like math.

    That's why I have a general distrust of using stats for arguments.
    Cool. The reason I donít like Wentz is cause my eye tells me he turns over the ball at least twice as much as the average QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    Cool. The reason I donít like Wentz is cause my eye tells me he turns over the ball at least twice as much as the average QB.
    You're entitled to your own opinion.

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    This was for hockey but the principle is the same
    https://canucksarmy.com/2017/11/14/s...ased-analysis/

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    You're entitled to your own opinion.
    Cool. Also it seems to me that the eagles are the worst team in the NFL over the last 5 years going for in on 4th down. Every time my friends and I go out for beers and watch the game the eagles always fail on 4th down.
    They really got to start converting some of those like other teams do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    Cool. Also it seems to me that the eagles are the worst team in the NFL over the last 5 years going for in on 4th down. Every time my friends and I go out for beers and watch the game the eagles always fail on 4th down.
    They really got to start converting some of those like other teams do.
    It would be good if we converted more of them.

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    This stats vs eyes debate is tiresome to be honest. If you don't believe in using both don't get offended if I dismiss your opinion as biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    This was for hockey but the principle is the same
    https://canucksarmy.com/2017/11/14/s...ased-analysis/
    Ask Kevin Cash how coaching through "the numbers" is working out for him...

    But really, I think we all agree in principal, it's the weight of each that there is going to be some subjectivity to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    This stats vs eyes debate is tiresome to be honest. If you don't believe in using both don't get offended if I dismiss your opinion as biased.
    I don't think anyone has said otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
    I should have added both balanced. Thereís definitely some leaning more to stats than watching.


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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    I should have added both balanced. Thereís definitely some leaning more to stats than watching.


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    Do people just lump context in with eye test?

    I see it as 3 components but I have seen it mentioned throughout that there are 2: stats vs eye test/context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Do people just lump context in with eye test?

    I see it as 3 components but I have seen it mentioned throughout that there are 2: stats vs eye test/context.
    I see them as different things.

    Stats: QB had 325, 3td, 1 int. Must be good.
    Context: 210 of that and 3 tds were in Q4 and a loss.
    Eye test: passing through the game was erratic without a lot of catchable passes into good coverage and taking hot routes and dump offs until the defense started playing more prevent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    This stats vs eyes debate is tiresome to be honest. If you don't believe in using both don't get offended if I dismiss your opinion as biased.
    The argument is about what matters more.

    But I would never dismiss someone's argument based solely on the eye test, whereas I would dismiss arguments based solely on stats. That's not to say that any conclusion from watching someone play is legitimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    I see them as different things.

    Stats: QB had 325, 3td, 1 int. Must be good.
    Context: 210 of that and 3 tds were in Q4 and a loss.
    Eye test: passing through the game was erratic without a lot of catchable passes into good coverage and taking hot routes and dump offs until the defense started playing more prevent.


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    Pretty much

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    The argument is about what matters more.

    But I would never dismiss someone's argument based solely on the eye test, whereas I would dismiss arguments based solely on stats. That's not to say that any conclusion from watching someone play is legitimate.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    The argument is about what matters more.

    But I would never dismiss someone's argument based solely on the eye test, whereas I would dismiss arguments based solely on stats. That's not to say that any conclusion from watching someone play is legitimate.
    Agreed.

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