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  1. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    I think people here take stats for granted and donít realize how much they incorporate it in their arguments. Imagine if there was no record keeping at all? No passing yards, yards per attempt, yac, etc..... nothing at all. How would you know whoís in the third tier or fourth? Not to be fully reliant on them or be lazy about it but they are a necessary tool.

    How would you know if your new guard was above average? For the eye test you would have to watch every play from 64 guards from week one to now.
    Iíve heard people here say that stats donít tell the whole story which is true.
    The eye test tells us much less.
    Iíll say that Iím on the side of stats providing more valuation of a player but itís not as much more as what it seems people think.

    60/40 in favor of stats over context/eye test is where Iíd put it. The More and more stats start lessening the need to apply context, it goes up.

    Again, Iím a numbers/stats guy but the different variables in football makes me hesitate on how much value they have without context.


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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    Iíll say that Iím on the side of stats providing more valuation of a player but itís not as much more as what it seems people think.

    60/40 in favor of stats over context/eye test is where Iíd put it. The More and more stats start lessening the need to apply context, it goes up.

    Again, Iím a numbers/stats guy but the different variables in football makes me hesitate on how much value they have without context.


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    Fair. Iím 60/40 the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Fair. Iím 60/40 the other way.
    I do think stats hold more weight for the exact reason itís been said. Unless youíre watching all game film and every angle, itís very hard to use eye test but the fact that you have to use context for a lot of football stats is what pushes it to 40


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack of Blades View Post
    I don't consider Brand New indie. I consider them ****ing awesome and don't belong to a genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    I do think stats hold more weight for the exact reason itís been said. Unless youíre watching all game film and every angle, itís very hard to use eye test but the fact that you have to use context for a lot of football stats is what pushes it to 40


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    I think that is fair.

    Iím more on the context side for football stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    I do think stats hold more weight for the exact reason itís been said. Unless youíre watching all game film and every angle, itís very hard to use eye test but the fact that you have to use context for a lot of football stats is what pushes it to 40


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    I also fault fantasy sports for making evaluations stat dependent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I also fault fantasy sports for making evaluations stat dependent.
    If you think about it though, what valuations arenít based off numbers? Iím not even talking just sports.


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    I don't consider Brand New indie. I consider them ****ing awesome and don't belong to a genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I think that is fair.

    Iím more on the context side for football stats.
    And thatís fair too. You really need to compile a lot of stats in football to not have to look into ďbut if you consider this...Ē


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    I don't consider Brand New indie. I consider them ****ing awesome and don't belong to a genre.

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    Can we all just ****in agree that

    Wentz>dak

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    Quote Originally Posted by QQQ View Post
    Can we all just ****in agree that

    Wentz>dak
    Wentz: 2 working feet
    Dak: 1 working foot

    The stats don't lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Wentz: 2 working feet
    Dak: 1 working foot

    The stats don't lie.
    Indubitably

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Wentz: 2 working feet
    Dak: 1 working foot

    The stats don't lie.
    If Wentz plays the whole season, Dak will have missed more games in his career due to injury than Wentz.

    11 missed games > 8 missed games

    #InjuryProne as proven by stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    If Wentz plays the whole season, Dak will have missed more games in his career due to injury than Wentz.

    11 missed games > 8 missed games

    #InjuryProne as proven by stats.
    Stats>eye test>context

    Dak is injury prone

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    If Wentz plays the whole season, Dak will have missed more games in his career due to injury than Wentz.

    11 missed games > 8 missed games

    #InjuryProne as proven by stats.
    Your examples only strengthen our argument.

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    If your down 14 in the 4th quarter and the losing team scores a TD do you go for two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    If your down 14 in the 4th quarter and the losing team scores a TD do you go for two?
    I like math.

    That's why I have a general distrust of using stats for arguments.

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