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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Only if we trade back. Otherwise we should take the better QB in Wilson at #2.
    I agree we take the better QB at #2 which is obviously Fields, but if we trade back to #7-10 it's between Wilson or Lance.

    Wilson is too much like Manziel, and he has his attitude to boot.

    Wilson reminds me of Bo Callahan from Draft Day.
    He's good to bargain with but untrustworthy and comes with a huge degree of bustability.
    Last edited by MrX27; 01-30-2021 at 06:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    I agree we take the better QB at #2 which is obviously Fields, but if we trade back to #7-10 it's between Wilson or Lance.

    Wilson is too much like Manziel, and he has his attitude to boot.

    Wilson reminds me of Bo Callahan from Draft Day.
    He's good to bargain with but untrustworthy and comes with a huge degree of bustability.
    Wilson scans the field faster and makes more plays with his arm outside of the pocket. Those are qualities that make QBs like Mahomes and Rodgers so great. Wilson’s ceiling is probably a tier below.

    Fields seems like a watered down Watson who runs a little better. He’s likely going to take a bunch of sacks unless he learns to speed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Wilson scans the field faster and makes more plays with his arm outside of the pocket. Those are qualities that make QBs like Mahomes and Rodgers so great. Wilson’s ceiling is probably a tier below.

    Fields seems like a watered down Watson who runs a little better. He’s likely going to take a bunch of sacks unless he learns to speed up.
    100% agreed.
    Fields has the qualities similar to Mahomes, Rodgers and Watson that could potentially make him great.
    Fields has a stronger arm and makes more plays with his arm both in and out the pocket.

    Whereas, Wilson has all day to throw the ball and plays against weak defenses.
    That's the type of QB that usually struggles and becomes a deer in headlights once they get to the NFL, because they find out that they have to learn to throw WRs open quickly, if they can.
    Wilson hasn't shown much of that, if at all.

    Wilson's ceiling is like a good Kirk Cousins.
    Fields ceiling is a good Watson.

    Didn't want Cousins then, don't need a newer version of him now.
    At least Cousins has a good attitude, Wilson reportedly doesn't, very Manziel-ish.

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    Fields is a better athlete, Wilson is a better QB. Clearly playing for Ohio State hasn’t meant anything for their previous QBs. Talent is talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Fields is a better athlete, Wilson is a better QB. Clearly playing for Ohio State hasn’t meant anything for their previous QBs. Talent is talent.
    Yes, Fields is a better athlete, QB and talent.
    Wilson is better at having a bad attitude though.

    As you once said, Wilson is like Johnny Manziel.

    Talent is talent, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Yes, Fields is a better athlete, QB and talent.
    Wilson is better at having a bad attitude though.

    As you once said, Wilson is like Johnny Manziel.

    Talent is talent, indeed.
    Wilson wouldn’t be ranked higher than Fields on most lists if that were the case. Nothing wrong with Wilson’s attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Wilson wouldn’t be ranked higher than Fields on most lists if that were the case. Nothing wrong with Wilson’s attitude.
    Sure there is, you're just pretending to ignore it.
    Wilson is a headache waiting to happen.

    Tell you what, show me any proof of how Wilson plays well against a top athletic, faster, challenging defense of a perennial powerhouse that requires him to process information quickly where he throws his WRs open consistently.

    Well........

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Sure there is, you're just pretending to ignore it.
    Wilson is a headache waiting to happen.

    Tell you what, show me any proof of how Wilson plays well against a top athletic, faster, challenging defense of a perennial powerhouse that requires him to process information quickly where he throws his WRs open consistently.

    Well........
    We’ll see in the NFL. The argument that Fields is better because he played in a tougher conference is lame. His team was stacked too.

    Fields is very athletic and an accurate passer with a strong arm, but he rarely looks off his first read and he takes too long to throw. Wilson is simply more polished right now and has a strong arm as well with a quick release that he can get off in a variety of angles.
    Last edited by YoungStuna; 01-31-2021 at 04:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    We’ll see in the NFL. The argument that Fields is better because he played in a tougher conference is lame. His team was stacked too.

    Fields is very athletic and an accurate passer with a strong arm, but he rarely looks off his first read and he takes too long to throw. Wilson is simply more polished right now and has a strong arm as well with a quick release that he can get off in a variety of angles.
    Your analysis of Fields is wrong and lame.
    Fields often looks off his 1st read and is quick to throw if the throw is there, which is why he is so accurate and has a very low TD/int ratio. He doesn't force passes just to throw the ball.

    Wilson has never faced pressure, because he sits behind an OL and has all day to pass the ball.
    If Wilson would have went to The Ohio State or Clemson, he would never have put up the numbers he did playing better competition.
    Plus Wilson has a airy arm, he tends to float passes and he doesn't have the quickest release either.

    Fields is definitely the more polished and pro ready QB.

    Like you said, Wilson is like Manziel.
    Didn't want Manziel then, don't need a newer version of him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX27 View Post
    Your analysis of Fields is wrong and lame.
    Fields often looks off his 1st read and is quick to throw if the throw is there, which is why he is so accurate and has a very low TD/int ratio. He doesn't force passes just to throw the ball.

    Wilson has never faced pressure, because he sits behind an OL and has all day to pass the ball.
    If Wilson would have went to The Ohio State or Clemson, he would never have put up the numbers he did playing better competition.
    Plus Wilson has a airy arm, he tends to float passes and he doesn't have the quickest release either.

    Fields is definitely the more polished and pro ready QB.

    Like you said, Wilson is like Manziel.
    Didn't want Manziel then, don't need a newer version of him now.
    Fields doesn’t “often” do that, otherwise he’d be right there with Lawrence (which he’s not). Fields takes longer to throw because he goes through his reads slowly and looks to run more often if his first read is covered. Wilson gets the ball out sooner which projects better to the next level. Literally every scouting report says he has a strong arm and it’s clear when watching him. Just because he’s on the skinny side doesn’t mean he has an airy arm lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Fields doesn’t “often” do that, otherwise he’d be right there with Lawrence (which he’s not). Fields takes longer to throw because he goes through his reads slowly and looks to run more often if his first read is covered. Wilson gets the ball out sooner which projects better to the next level. Literally every scouting report says he has a strong arm and it’s clear when watching him. Just because he’s on the skinny side doesn’t mean he has an airy arm lol.
    Fields "often" does it, which is why he's right there with Lawrence in terms of play.

    Fields takes longer to throw because he's often on the move and looking and scanning other targets.
    Wilson plays inferior defenses usually has a wide open WR to throw to.

    Wilson does not get the ball out nearly as fast as you like to think, and Fields has shown he can spin the ball downfield with a flick of the wrist. Something Wilson can't do.

    I agree that Wilson being skinny has nothing to do with his arm.
    Wilson has an airy arm because he doesn't have much umph on his downfield throws, that's why he throws airy passes.

    Throwing downfield he's more Pennington lob, than Mahomes/Rodgers/Watson/Fields laser.

    Wilson has a strong arm as in he can throw the ball far, not as in, he will drive the ball far quickly.
    2 distinctly different things.
    Even Pennington could throw the ball 65 yards in the air, did it mean he could rocket a 35-40 yd pass?
    Nope.

    Wilson at his best will be another Captain Checkdown like Pennington.
    Or perhaps, like you said, he's another Manziel.
    Last edited by MrX27; 01-31-2021 at 06:29 AM.

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    This discussion is why I'm not sure on Fields or Wilson. Let's just get Watson and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyi View Post
    This discussion is why I'm not sure on Fields or Wilson. Let's just get Watson and be done with it.
    It's why I say keep Sam, trade back, take Trey Lance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyi View Post
    This discussion is why I'm not sure on Fields or Wilson. Let's just get Watson and be done with it.
    Obviously we'd prefer Watson

    However, if you had a choice of a QB that plays similar to Watson, but in a thicker body VS a QB, whose very own supporter says plays like Manziel, with a similar attitude......who would you want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    It's why I say keep Sam, trade back, take Trey Lance.
    Why not just trade Sam then.
    He"ll lose any trade value after this year, because he'll only heave 1 year remaining on his rookie deal.

    Why not bring back Flacco or another vet to start the year and replace him at some point with Lance.

    I'd still prefer Fields over Lamce though, but if the Jets trade back, maybe Lance over Wilson.
    I think they're in the same QB boat, but steer different ways.

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