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    At least the lions are winning sometimes

    https://www.mlive.com/lions/2020/10/...gue-again.html

    Though it’s less often

    ALLEN PARK -- The Detroit Lions won just 24% of their pass rushes last season, according to data tracked by ESPN. That was worst in the league, and a big reason their pass defense allowed the most yards in the league. Nobody can cover forever, you know?

    A year later, with a new coordinator and three new starters in the front seven, they’re still dead-last. In fact, they’re worse.

    The Lions are winning just 21% of their pass rushes this season. That’s not only last in the league, but last by a stunning margin of 11%. The difference between them and anyone else (the New York Giants) is the same as the difference between the next 19 teams combined.


    That’s bad.

    “Obviously, we’re not good enough right now in the pass rush," coach Matt Patricia said recently. “We need to do a better job of getting pressure on the quarterback. Certainly, trying to manufacture pass rush is something that we know we need to do and mixing in different schemes and alignments and pressures and blitz packages and all that stuff. We’re certainly trying to do that, and we’re trying to do it in a way that is smart, too.”

    Of course, philosophies on how to smartly rush the quarterback can vary widely between teams and schemes, and even opponents. As such, measuring how effective teams are against each other is an inexact science. The Lions, for example, are less aggressive going after the quarterback by the very nature of their scheme. They prefer to rush just three or four guys, which allows for more men to drop into the back levels of the defense and keep everything in front of them. It’s a bend-but-don’t-break approach that can yield big yardage totals, and is supposed to force offenses into big mistakes too.

    They’ve also faced a litter of athletic quarterbacks to open the season, from Mitchell Trubisky to Aaron Rodgers and especially Kyler Murray. The Lions feared what those guys could do on the ground so much that they preferred to try to contain the QBs in the pocket rather than really go after them in the pass rush. Detroit contends this is affecting the rush stats.

    “Nobody takes into (consideration) you’re playing against somebody who can run,” defensive line coach Bo Davis said. "They’re just looking at your pass rush and how efficient are you getting to the quarterback. Yeah, we could be very efficient getting to the quarterback if we just take off and go. But in the game plan, you got to look at it and say, ‘Hey, do we really want to just take off and just rush this guy?’ ... I mean, we could have great efficiency rushing the passer, but he’ll have 200 yards rushing on us.




    “I think, you know, you got to look at who you’re playing, who’s at quarterback, and unfortunately, haven’t had a lot of chances to play guys that are stationary quarterbacks, and a lot of guys do. We’d love to play Drew Brees every week. I mean, our stats would be tremendous playing against him. But we don’t. Unfortunately, we don’t have that. So I think (pass rush win rate) is a good element to show guys where you are. I don’t knock that at all. But I think for us, who we’re playing at quarterback and how we’re rushing these guys, that’s the thing we take a lot of pride in. And I know the ratings don’t say, ‘Hey, we got a great pass-rushing group.’ That’s OK. My thing at the end of the day, we’re not letting guys just haul down the field on us.'”





    The strategy worked in Arizona. The Lions held Murray to a season-worst 29 rushing yards, baited him into three picks and won the game 26-23. But they were less successful against Trubisky and especially Rodgers, who was hit just three times in that game, not at all in the first half, and killed Detroit for 31 unanswered points in a 42-21 win.

    Detroit finally faced a more traditional pocket quarterback, Drew Brees, in its last game before the bye. The rush broke out with six quarterback hits, a season high, and both Romeo Okwara and Reggie Ragland got home for sacks, the Lions' only multi-sack game of the season. So, the pressure was better. Then again, eight pressures on 27 dropbacks isn’t exactly lighting the guy up, and Brees was comfortable enough to lead five straight touchdown drives in a 35-29 win against Detroit. His QB rating of 116.4 was his second best of the season.

    And that was the high-water mark for the pass rush this season.

    Put it all together, and the rush has generated just five sacks, a league low. It has generated just 43 pressures, a league low. For comparison, Aaron Donald has 33 all by himself. And that has led to all sorts of problem in the back end, where Detroit is allowing 11.7 yards per completion (30th in the league), 7.5 yards per attempt (24th), and a QB rating of 98.6 (20th).

    “When teams are running the ball on you, the opportunities to rush the passer end up being a lot less than they would be if you were stopping it,” defensive coordinator Cory Undlin said. “Obviously, we can get better at a couple different things, that being one of them. We’ll continue to keep looking at it and see if we can start mixing up and putting the best personnel groups out there that we can generate some more of that. But definitely, I think we all know that we’ve got to create some more pressure on the quarterback, and we’ll see how we can do that going forward this week.”




    This week, they face Gardner Minshew and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Minshew isn’t a threat to run, so it should give the Lions more opportunities to get upfield. And if they don’t, well, it could be another long afternoon for one of the worst defenses in the league.
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    Is the problem, coaching? Talent? Technique? System? Lack of motivation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionsfanfromsac View Post
    Is the problem, coaching? Talent? Technique? System? Lack of motivation?
    All of the above



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionsfanfromsac View Post
    Is the problem, coaching? Talent? Technique? System? Lack of motivation?
    In order I'd say
    1. Coaching
    2. System
    3. Technique
    4. Talent


    I'd be willing to bet if that if you gave these players to a competent coach that schemed around the players rather than forcing the players to bend to the scheme that we'd at least have a reasonable defense. WOuld it be great? No. But it wouldn't be worst in the league. Many of the players we have now have actually succeeded elsewhere.

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    1. Ownership
    2. Marketability
    3. Culture
    4. Management
    5. Coaching
    6. Talent

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    1. Lions

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    Ownership
    Coaching
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardking13 View Post
    In order I'd say
    1. Coaching >coaching
    2. System> coaching
    3. Technique> coaching
    4. Talent>GM
    just changed a little there
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    Stafford throws it sidearm, everyone wants to correct him.

    Mahomes throws it sidearm, he's innovative and amazingly talented! 1,000,000 videos of the same pass on social.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    Stafford throws it sidearm, everyone wants to correct him.

    Mahomes throws it sidearm, he's innovative and amazingly talented! 1,000,000 videos of the same pass on social.
    marketing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket View Post
    marketing?
    Personality.

    No one gives a **** about Stafford. Mahomes is a marketers dream.

    Teams that draft based on talent & scheme < Teams that draft based on marketability.

    We've known this for years now though. We had quiet Barry, quiet Calvin & quiet Stafford. No one gives a **** about these guys. Hell, even Lions fans wanted Caldwell gone because he didnt show emotion. With his WL record in Detroit, if he made faces like Gruden he'd be a legend here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    Stafford throws it sidearm, everyone wants to correct him.

    Mahomes throws it sidearm, he's innovative and amazingly talented! 1,000,000 videos of the same pass on social.
    they win, we don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    Personality.

    No one gives a **** about Stafford. Mahomes is a marketers dream.

    Teams that draft based on talent & scheme < Teams that draft based on marketability.

    We've known this for years now though. We had quiet Barry, quiet Calvin & quiet Stafford. No one gives a **** about these guys. Hell, even Lions fans wanted Caldwell gone because he didnt show emotion. With his WL record in Detroit, if he made faces like Gruden he'd be a legend here.
    Mahomes has a personality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardking13 View Post
    Mahomes has a personality?
    https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/...e1pr6ibsc6lv6g

    "Pat Mahomes is likeable," he added. "Success helps, but likeability is a bigger factor.

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    I don't think he likes being called Pat

    also, fun fact, Detroit is the 14th highest sports market city, Kansas City is 32nd, Mahomes to the Lions?

    https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba...elsen-ratings/

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