RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS
"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts
"God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory
"don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train
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But we've already been conceived. We cant ever go back to a state of having not been conceived. That's a major difference.
I believe in a soul of some sort, so I feel there is something diff from pre life and post life.
Of course I doubt you believe in a soul, so I dont know how much any of that would mean to you..
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RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS
"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts
"God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory
"don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train
Last edited by fanofclendennon; 10-26-2020 at 11:45 PM.
I think this is the crux of the disconnect. The Bolded is not true. When one is trying to deduce possibilities one should start with the known parameters in order of most to least certain.
For example you start with what we know about time to conclude what we know about matter cannot be possible. Except science believes what we know about matter (that it cannot be created or destroyed) is far more certain than what we know about time.
Therefore, of the two possibilities (that what we know about one invalidates our preconceptions of the other), it is more likely that are preconceptions of time are incorrect given science doesn’t believe those preconceptions with any degree of certainty, whereas science believes the preconception about matter with near absolute certainty.
Essentially, Fan is arguing against my deductive reasoning, and the only argument you could offer is some wacky spaced out idea that let's just change all the rules and call it natural.
Ok, go for it. Knock yourself out. What the hell can I say about that? lol
If you could offer some possibility of an explanation that could possibly render my deductive reasoning moot, that would help drive your point home. Cuz as of right now, it's just meaningless.
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RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS
"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts
"God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory
"don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train
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RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS
"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts
"God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory
"don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train
lol, no you didnt! [emoji23]
I just said these two limits lead us to a particular conclusion via deductive reasoning. You said well one we are sure of, one we arent, so the one we arent must be false. Except you are so tunnel vision that because it's not a scientific law you're just not accepting the reality of it. That's your call bro...
Its funny because I was gonna mention earlier its wierd you understand one of the limits I mentioned and not the other, and I KNEW it was because one is established law and one isnt. But you dont think on your own. You should do that. You will see both truths are just as evident as the other.
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Last edited by nastynice; 10-27-2020 at 01:53 AM.
RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS
"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts
"God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory
"don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train
I just bumped the very post where you agreed what I said was plausible.
This is why it is so frustrating having a conversation with you, you are very intellectually dishonest. You will admit something and then forget and continue arguing your point as if the other conversation never happened.
Your entire post was basically “well yeah science doesn’t think what I think about time, but all of science is wrong and you’re a fool for believing science. If you ignored science and saw what I see, you’d see I’m right”.
Sorry, between you and science, I’m trusting science on this one...
RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS
"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts
"God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory
"don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train
No it does not and I’m going to need to see any kind of evidence of your claim if you wish to keep repeating it.Originally Posted by nastynice;33671951[B
I've already broken down the logics for you. I did it using your very own words. You completely understood it regarding hypothetical event B, and so if we call today event B you must still understand, correct? The impossibility of being preceeded by an infinite length of time...
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RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS
"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts
"God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory
"don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train
And I already broke down the logic for you, using Your very own words. You completely understood it regarding a hypothetical loop of time in an ever expanding/contracting universe thus this moment being able to have been preceded by an infinite length of time.
And at this point we’re just in a never ending loop (which is actually a pretty good example of my point tbh). I think it simply comes down to your mind cannot fathom something with no beginning, which makes your belief in God interesting, though the reason you can believe in God is you simply turn off the part of your brain that refuses to accept a lack of a beginning.
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