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View Poll Results: Is Ross Atkins the 2nd best GM in Blue Jays History?

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    After 5 Years Is Ross Atkins the 2nd Best GM in Blue Jays History?

    -First GM in Blue Jays history to get the team to the post season in 5 years
    -Top 10 farm for 3 years running
    -Broke the Boras boycott
    -Signed an ace for less than ace money
    -Paved the way for increasing minor league salaries

    He also had the 19th highest team payroll (54.5 mil) which included 14 million being paid to Tulo. He was technically the 2nd highest paid player on the team this season. The team is still on the rise with TONS of money to spend and loads of young talent in the farm system. I think it's very easy to say that Atkins is 2nd only to Gillick...for now.
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    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    I like Atkins. He has taken the long view. Maybe we should too before we make proclamations like this. Lot of work to do to turn this into perennial contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pebloemer View Post
    I like Atkins. He has taken the long view. Maybe we should too before we make proclamations like this. Lot of work to do to turn this into perennial contender.
    Oh for sure but when is the last time the Jays have been positioned this well moving forward? AA gutted the farm twice while taking on massive contracts (Reyes, Beuhrle and Tulo) while JP just dished out a ridiculous amount of money in one off-season (Burnett, Ryan, Glaus, Molina). Atkins is the polar opposite and the only big money contract he has so far is our ace. He does have a lot of work to do moving forward but this teams window hasn't even opened yet. Plenty to be excited about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Oh for sure but when is the last time the Jays have been positioned this well moving forward? AA gutted the farm twice while taking on massive contracts (Reyes, Beuhrle and Tulo) while JP just dished out a ridiculous amount of money in one off-season (Burnett, Ryan, Glaus, Molina). Atkins is the polar opposite and the only big money contract he has so far is our ace. He does have a lot of work to do moving forward but this teams window hasn't even opened yet. Plenty to be excited about.
    There is definitely plenty to be excited for. I agree with that. Evaluating the body of work by a GM is best done when he has completed what he came to do, or parts ways with the organization. I don't think he is close to either yet. But I love the current direction.

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    Heís still below Riccardi for me. So heís 4th if Iím being generous.
    Maybe one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    -First GM in Blue Jays history to get the team to the post season in 5 years
    -Top 10 farm for 3 years running
    -Broke the Boras boycott
    -Signed an ace for less than ace money
    -Paved the way for increasing minor league salaries

    He also had the 19th highest team payroll (54.5 mil) which included 14 million being paid to Tulo. He was technically the 2nd highest paid player on the team this season. The team is still on the rise with TONS of money to spend and loads of young talent in the farm system. I think it's very easy to say that Atkins is 2nd only to Gillick...for now.
    Your top point doesnít really stand up since Ricardo would have had 6 post season appearances in todayís world.

    Points 2, 3 and 4 mean nothing without results.

    Number 5 is awesome.

    But, how many GMs have we had? 5-6? With only one two having some real success? The bar isnít really that high. Hard to put him in the top based off of this season. Heís on the cusp of moving ahead of AA, but just not yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Your top point doesnít really stand up since Ricardo would have had 6 post season appearances in todayís world.

    Points 2, 3 and 4 mean nothing without results.

    Number 5 is awesome.

    But, how many GMs have we had? 5-6? With only one two having some real success? The bar isnít really that high. Hard to put him in the top based off of this season. Heís on the cusp of moving ahead of AA, but just not yet.
    The bar isn't high at all. He's already passed AA in my books. AA bought playoff baseball but did it with a team that had no longevity. Imagine if he stuck around and signed Price like he said he wanted to. He probably would've paid Bautista too. This team isn't even fully built yet and it's already full of promise.

    Breaking the Boras boycott has already been huge. If he didn't do that then there'd be no Ryu or Martin. In order to get top level talent you need to work with Boras and in 1 year of doing so he already got an ace and a top draft pick.
    Last edited by R. Johnson#3; 10-11-2020 at 04:43 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Your top point doesnít really stand up since Ricardo would have had 6 post season appearances in todayís world.

    Points 2, 3 and 4 mean nothing without results.

    Number 5 is awesome.

    But, how many GMs have we had? 5-6? With only one two having some real success? The bar isnít really that high. Hard to put him in the top based off of this season. Heís on the cusp of moving ahead of AA, but just not yet.
    Too bad I didn't this post until now but to go back on topic, that's exactly how I feel about the points brought up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ View Post
    Too bad I didn't this post until now but to go back on topic, that's exactly how I feel about the points brought up.
    Rules change over time. There's WC teams who have won the WS who wouldn't have even made the post season a decade ago. Thems the breaks.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Your top point doesnít really stand up since Ricardo would have had 6 post season appearances in todayís world.

    Points 2, 3 and 4 mean nothing without results.

    Number 5 is awesome.

    But, how many GMs have we had? 5-6? With only one two having some real success? The bar isnít really that high. Hard to put him in the top based off of this season. Heís on the cusp of moving ahead of AA, but just not yet.
    He might have had 3 at most, and that's debatable, go back and look at his results.

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    Probably Ricardi if you talking first 5 years.

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    He has money and assets this off-season. Letís see what happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    -First GM in Blue Jays history to get the team to the post season in 5 years
    -Top 10 farm for 3 years running
    -Broke the Boras boycott
    -Signed an ace for less than ace money
    -Paved the way for increasing minor league salaries

    He also had the 19th highest team payroll (54.5 mil) which included 14 million being paid to Tulo. He was technically the 2nd highest paid player on the team this season. The team is still on the rise with TONS of money to spend and loads of young talent in the farm system. I think it's very easy to say that Atkins is 2nd only to Gillick...for now.
    I think we can easily say that Atkins is the second best GM in Jays history. Outside of Gillick, none of our other GM's ever had the club positioned the way we are today. Ricciradi, Ash, and all except AA never got us to the playoffs, and AA only once. Atkins has done it twice and has a great core going forward.

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    ^
    That's very circumstantial though. Ricardi woulda made the playoffs 6 out of 8 times I think if he had 8 team playoffs. And that was when Yankees and Red Sox were dominating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ View Post
    ^
    That's very circumstantial though. Ricardi woulda made the playoffs 6 out of 8 times I think if he had 8 team playoffs. And that was when Yankees and Red Sox were dominating.
    Look at the above posts, maybe could have been 3 times but 87, 86, 86 win totals were his best 3 seasons. The other 5 years had no chance.

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