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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Seems to me the more talented team is in the alcs right now. The Yankees are not as talented as people think they are 4 straight years of disappointment proves that . Especially when it comes to their pitching . Just because the Yankees have more power and Cole , it doesn’t mean they are truly a very talented team overall

    Do you need to be told that the more talented team doesn't always win? I guess you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    I thought getting Gerit Cole gets us further in Oct.

    Houston loses Verlander and are a series away from the WS.

    Yes they cheated in the past but not now. And they have less and still advanced, without Cole. We got Cole and we are at home watching. Hilarious!


    And what does Cole have to do with them not advancing? Can you say NOTHING?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YANKSGUY View Post
    And what does Cole have to do with them not advancing? Can you say NOTHING?
    I believe what he’s trying to say is you have the Astros who lost Verlander and Cole and they cheated the year before, now minus all the above there playing in the ALCS. And the Yankees basically the same team as year before now with the addition of Cole is home just doesn’t make a lot of sense from a team standpoint is all. Cole pitched his *** off and in basic theory one would think with the addition of Cole that should have carried them much further than the Astros. That’s just the way I’m seeing what he’s saying and I agree from a theory standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    I was agreeing with Web in his general assessment. I agree and have said they have a deep and very good pen, truth is I don't believe the pen beat the Yankees in this series. Glasnow went 5 in game two and the Yanks scored one run late off Fairbanks. Game 3 Morton also went 5 gave up 1ER, the pen gave up 2. Game 5 Anderson gave up the only ER.
    I would also argue desire plays a factor in all of this. The Rays had more desire to win.
    I fully believe that in those moments, it is not imply talent or luck it is desire. We always talk about teams wanting it more in other sports but I don't think it's given enough attention in baseball.
    when the Yankees of the 90s were winning, that was their identity. They found ways to win.
    This team, since Boone took over, does not have that. The Rays do.

    It is also a bit of BS that we played the Rays and not the As. There should have been a re-seed of the teams. The Astros should have played the As



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I would also argue desire plays a factor in all of this. The Rays had more desire to win.
    I fully believe that in those moments, it is not imply talent or luck it is desire. We always talk about teams wanting it more in other sports but I don't think it's given enough attention in baseball.
    when the Yankees of the 90s were winning, that was their identity. They found ways to win.
    This team, since Boone took over, does not have that. The Rays do.

    It is also a bit of BS that we played the Rays and not the As. There should have been a re-seed of the teams. The Astros should have played the As
    I would agree completely. The teams of the 90's had a certain intensity, "refuse to lose" mentality.

    The current team has the talent, I question the heart. I don't see the intensity, desire or urgency.
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    Can't say i agree with that claim. Kind of easy to say, a team had more "desire" and won their games when you had upwards of 7 players who batted .300, on top of having El Duque, Cone, Wells, Pettite as starters and Mariano Rivera as the closer. Pretty hard to lose with that much talent. The yankees of today have more power, but only one true .300 hitter, maybe two, if you count Urshela, and nearly no one who could pitch more than 4 innings, in the post season, outside of Cole, and a closer who loves to give up gaming winning homers when he comes in. Mariano gave up 2 in 140+ innings. There is simply no comparison.

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    Home runs are nice, I get it chicks dig it but it isn't the only way to score runs especially in the postseason. Against elite pitching you need to have a well rounded offense that puts the ball in play! Putting the ball in play means your lineup does not strikeout a lot.

    This years Yankees lineup had to be the sexist lineup in mlb. But their one big problem is they strikeout too much! You need to string together hits in order to have a big inning instead of waiting for that 3 run bomb because well...we've been waiting for that bomb in a decisive game for what 3-4 consecutive years now?

    The 90's championship teams had guys like O'Neill, Williams, Martinez, Knoblauch and Brosius who all struck out less than a 100 times during those championship seasons. Surprisingly Jeter was the on who stuck out the most but I think we can all agree, he had a penchant for being clutch when it mattered.

    Now if you look at the current roster, guys like Judge, Stanton, Voit, Torres, Sanchez, Hicks and even Frazier strikeout at least once a game. DJ and Urshela are the only regulars in the lineup who put the ball in play. This needs to change.

    Who stays and who goes? Well who's in, Stanton is stuck here whether we like it or not, Judge is the face of the current Yankees so it'll be shocking to move him, Torres is the golden child while not untouchable, he's as close as you can get and Hicks well he has a 7 year contract lol. That's 4 guys right there, almost half the lineup.

    For me, that leaves Voit, Frazier and Sanchez out. Why? Because we can fill those positions with players who strike out less.

    I want to see the Yankees go after Brantley who would effectively take Frazier's spot. Sanchez looks so lost he makes Higgy look like an all-star. I'd like Realmuto because I think Realmuto can take our pitching staff to another level. But I am also fine with Higgy and Sanchez splitting time next year hoping Sanchez can regain something and saving money on Realmuto. Voit is tricky, he's a fan favorite for sure and has a ton of value because his salary is minimal but that's what GM's get paid to do, make those critical decisions. If it were me, I'd resign DJ and have him play 1B.

    Besides Brantley, I want the Yankees to take a good look at Jurickson Profar. I see value in Profar because he's a switch hitter, his strike out walk ratios are good and he can play multiple positions and is fairly cheap. Take a look at this:
    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-manny-machado
    Even if this article didn't age well and it's just one persons take, there are many scouts who love Profar's tools. Also don't forget the Yankees inquired about him before. The cons of Profar is obviously he has not produced. But his value is he's 28 yrs old, still in his prime and his salary will be low maybe 5M a year. Offer him a 2 year contract. Have him be a super utility guy, I see low risk high reward with Profar as long as he's not penciled in as a starter until he shows he's capable. And if he never does, what's 10M for 2 years to the Yankees?

    I haven't even touched on pitching because that's a hot mess. Deal with that later lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webslinger View Post
    Can't say i agree with that claim. Kind of easy to say, a team had more "desire" and won their games when you had upwards of 7 players who batted .300, on top of having El Duque, Cone, Wells, Pettite as starters and Mariano Rivera as the closer. Pretty hard to lose with that much talent. The yankees of today have more power, but only one true .300 hitter, maybe two, if you count Urshela, and nearly no one who could pitch more than 4 innings, in the post season, outside of Cole, and a closer who loves to give up gaming winning homers when he comes in. Mariano gave up 2 in 140+ innings. There is simply no comparison.
    Has much less to do with the actual talent and all to do with a mindset, that started at the top. Yes they had the talent, but they also expected to win everyday. Cocky confidence, an aura of invincibility. Hard to articulate but it was palatable in the way they approached each game.

    They were winners and they knw it. They believed it. This current group seems to go thru the motions at times, I don't get a sense of urgency. They have a good young core, I have faith in their ability. I just don't see the passion, emotion and intensity that can make the difference at times between a W or L.
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    Outside of maybe 4 players , I just don’t see an overwhelming amount of talent in this team . Which would explain why they don’t seem to have passion and intensity . I simply see 4 maybe 5 very talented players surrounded by mediocre and underperforming players .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I would also argue desire plays a factor in all of this. The Rays had more desire to win.
    I fully believe that in those moments, it is not imply talent or luck it is desire. We always talk about teams wanting it more in other sports but I don't think it's given enough attention in baseball.
    when the Yankees of the 90s were winning, that was their identity. They found ways to win.
    This team, since Boone took over, does not have that. The Rays do.

    It is also a bit of BS that we played the Rays and not the As. There should have been a re-seed of the teams. The Astros should have played the As
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    I mean how are these players coached today ? With two strikes aren't they taught to choke up on the bat and swing to make contact ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webslinger View Post
    Can't say i agree with that claim. Kind of easy to say, a team had more "desire" and won their games when you had upwards of 7 players who batted .300, on top of having El Duque, Cone, Wells, Pettite as starters and Mariano Rivera as the closer. Pretty hard to lose with that much talent. The yankees of today have more power, but only one true .300 hitter, maybe two, if you count Urshela, and nearly no one who could pitch more than 4 innings, in the post season, outside of Cole, and a closer who loves to give up gaming winning homers when he comes in. Mariano gave up 2 in 140+ innings. There is simply no comparison.
    Agreed , when compared with the teams of the 90s, the Yankees of the last 4 seasons don’t have much talent

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    I would agree completely. The teams of the 90's had a certain intensity, "refuse to lose" mentality.

    The current team has the talent, I question the heart. I don't see the intensity, desire or urgency.
    your absolutely correct. How many times other than Boones Savage in the Box rant have you see these players motivated to play for him. I don't mean excited and cheering when they are winning or after a big play, i'm talking about when they are down and needing something big to happen to turn a inning,game or series around. I remember them going to CC and Gardy far more than Boone.

    I just don't think this team is capable of winning with Boone at the helm and if they do it will be despite him.

    If Hal does set the salary cap around 210m they are going to leave so big holes, especially in the rotation wide open. After arbitration raises and resigning DJ that won't leave us nearly enough money to fix the pitching staff. At minimum i think we need 1 starter who is better than Tanaka, a MORP similar to Tank and 2 good relievers. I just don't think they can get all those things done with that budget unless they are willing to uses some serious spec capital

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    your absolutely correct. How many times other than Boones Savage in the Box rant have you see these players motivated to play for him. I don't mean excited and cheering when they are winning or after a big play, i'm talking about when they are down and needing something big to happen to turn a inning,game or series around. I remember them going to CC and Gardy far more than Boone.

    I just don't think this team is capable of winning with Boone at the helm and if they do it will be despite him.

    If Hal does set the salary cap around 210m they are going to leave so big holes, especially in the rotation wide open. After arbitration raises and resigning DJ that won't leave us nearly enough money to fix the pitching staff. At minimum i think we need 1 starter who is better than Tanaka, a MORP similar to Tank and 2 good relievers. I just don't think they can get all those things done with that budget unless they are willing to uses some serious spec capital
    They have capital to make trades with namely Ursela and Voit. Judge also if they want to and Torres if the right deal comes along. Plus prospects and Andujar and Frazier. If the team is serious and clinical they can add different type of hitters and pitchers to the mix and keep the budget they have more or less. They can trade for young players with different skill sets. It's if they have the imagination to. I would keep Tanaka as the fourth or fifth starter on the right deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Outside of maybe 4 players , I just don’t see an overwhelming amount of talent in this team . Which would explain why they don’t seem to have passion and intensity . I simply see 4 maybe 5 very talented players surrounded by mediocre and underperforming players .
    4 players! Seriously? Please humor me and name them.
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