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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Rays are advancing with a $75M payroll.
    First of all the rays have more talent in that 75 mill than the yanks would at 210 mill . And they proved it last night .

    Second of all , Toronto is a good upcoming team with a better minor league system than the yankees

    Third of all , Boston is going to be good again soon .

    And then there are the white sox who are good , twins are still good , Cleveland still good .

    At the very least if they cut their payroll to 210 mill or less , the Yankees will have a much tougher time making the playoffs much less winning their own division . Unless they add 2 more wild card teams .

    Here is an article that says more or less what I said
    https://www.pinstripealley.com/2020/...series-or-bust
    Last edited by Posada20; 10-10-2020 at 06:35 PM.

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    You missed my point entirely. If the Rays can advance with a $69M (player salary) and $75M total payroll why do the Yankees require $250M+?

    I am not questioning the Rays talent. It was obvious to all Yanks were beat by superior pitching and timely hitting.

    Maybe it's not a question of throwing tons of money at a problem, but rather understanding what the problem is and address it at a fundamental level. So rather than lament what could have or should have been done on the FA market, maybe it's time for a different approach. Rather than buy best available talent how about spending on in house development?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    You missed my point entirely. If the Rays can advance with a $69M (player salary) and $75M total payroll why do the Yankees require $250M+?

    I am not questioning the Rays talent. It was obvious to all Yanks were beat by superior pitching and timely hitting.

    Maybe it's not a question of throwing tons of money at a problem, but rather understanding what the problem is and address it at a fundamental level. So rather than lament what could have or should have been done on the FA market, maybe it's time for a different approach. Rather than buy best available talent how about spending on in house development?
    The yanks payroll is current at about 250 mill , bringing the payroll to less than 210 like hal wants would require losing some talent . And most of the talent coming off the books is pitching . So you can forget about Paxton , happ and even Tanaka coming back or atleast two of those three not coming back . If the Yankees couldnít make it out of the alds at 250 mill could they even make it there with less talent than they have now ? Do you really think they could definitely make the playoffs with a rotation of cole , German , Garcia , Schmidt and Monty ? Donít forget the playoffs will probably not consist of as many teams as there were this year nor will it be in the same seeding format .

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    1) fire Boone!!! he has no feel for this team, especially in the playoffs. He constantly makes awful pitching decision. I really don't recall anytime, except after the savages in the box rant, has this team looked motivated or psyched up to play for him. Leave him for the sharks in Cali, the Yanks will be much better off.

    2) Cashman failed again to get us the pitching at the deadline to really give us a legit chance to win the WS. A combo of a HEALTHY Sevy, German, Paxton and especially Kahnle would have made a massive difference in the regular season and the playoffs. To think healthy versions of them wouldn't have made a massive difference is absolutely ludicrous.

    Unfortunately because of the injuries, weird season and his especially close relationship with Hal after Hanks death, Hal will give him a pass for this yr. That said, i wouldn't be surprised if Hal told Cash this coming season is his make or break yr.

    3) resign DJ. This actually should be number 1. U pay whatever it takes to resign the guy, he's clearly our best player and the heart and soul of this team. The rumors are he's looking for something in the a 4yr 88-100m, he's absolutely proved to be worth it, we can't let another team steal him from us.

    I would like to see him move back to 1st, so we could move Torres back to 2nd where he looked much better offensively and defensively

    4) make a legit run for Lindor. He's one of the better defensive SS in baseball which helps our defense immensely. It would add another SH, high avg, high contact, high energy bat with great speed to our lineup. We could really use more guys that can take that can make contact and take an extra base when we need it, go from 1st to home

    5) I"M NOT SAYING TRADE all these guys but i definitely think its time to find out what guys like Judge, Voit, Sanchez, Miggy and Frazier are worth, i'd put Stanton in there also but the NTC would make it tough to move him. If we could get the right value for 1 or more of them i'd make the move. It never hurts to find out your players value and listen to offers. We might get a crazy offer we couldnt refuse

    6) while i agree Sanchez no longer should be the starter, with as much as the organization likes him though I doubt they move him when he is at his absolutely lowest value. I think the far more likely scenario with him is they will go into spring with Higgy, or another C they acquire, will begin the yr as the starter. I could see them starting Gary in AAA to try to get him to remember how to hit. If he remembers how to hit, give him a chance to earn back playing time to get some of his value back. I have zero issue with trading Sanchez but it makes more sense to me to try and rebuild some value rather than give him away for practically nothing

    Judge is the public face of the team and unless they got an incredible offer i'm not sure Hal would sign off on trading him. Again IMO if u get a big enough offer, it would have to be massive to actually move him, u have to strongly consider it

    Voit has proven to be a solid, legi,t middle of the order bat, top 3 this yr in HR's and RBIs. He's got 4yrs of control left and is making less than 1m, He would be incredibly valuable to alot of teams. He would make 1 hell of a 1st piece in a trade for a TORP

    7) sign Brantly. He's basically the LHed version of DJ as far as being a professional hitter. With the extremely depressed financial market i don't think there is going to be a massive market for a 34yr old LFer. Let him platoon with Frazier and having him around would be like having another hitting coach around.

    8) After resigning DJ, rebuilding the whole staff has to be the top priority. Cole is everything we could have asked for. We absolutely have to get a legit #2 behind Cole. Bauer is the easiest fix but i'm not sure the Yanks will be willing to give hi the 1yr30m deal he's looking for and give up a 1st round pick. The massive conflict with him and Cole is also a concern

    I would like to see them get a #3 thats better than Tanaka, in reality because of the excellent long term relationship we have with him, i fully expect them to resign him for something like 3yr36m

    I would feel more than comfortable filling out the rest of the rotation with a combo of German, Monty, Devi, Schmidt and Sevy when he eventually comes back. I do think, if they don't sign Bauer, one of our top pitching specs will be traded in a package for a TORP . Good news is Sevy is supposed to be ahead of schedule and they are hopeful he can return to April

    We also have a ton of elite, young arms coming so it wouldn't be a shock if one or more contributed in a big way at some point next yr.

    9) we also have a loaded farm system that should allow us to trade for most anything we want if Cash is willing to part with his precious specs

    10) Speaking of young pitchers, I would sign Eric Kratz as a pitching/ catching coach. His passion is working with young pitchers, especially the Latina ones. Look at how successful he was working with Devi. Former catchers make the best coaches and if a catcher can keep an MLB job till he's 40, he must have a ton of knowledge he could pass on

    11) Gotta add a couple of elite arms to the pen, we need a Miller and a Kahnle type. Hader is going to cost as much as an ace so IMO there are better uses of our trade assets. The reliever market isn't bad this winter and with the market being depressed financially there will be options to upgrade the pen without having to give up the farm, IMO. Liam Hendricks is a FA again and we pursued him last yr

    12) The Yanks have close to 100M coming off the books this winter but they will not exceed the 3rd luxury tax threshold because those penalties are extremely harsh. The biggest reason they won't exceed that threshold is that they already have an IFA deal worked out with Roddrick Arias, the #1 spec next yr and most evaluator consider him a generational talent on par with Dominguez. They will not loose the money to sign him by over spending in FA 0 chance

    13) 1 other thing that i think alot of people are forgetting is that lower payroll teams are going to be looking to dump some of their bigger salaries because of how much money was lost this yr. Quite a few teams are crying poor already. A wealthy team like us that also has a ton of money coming off the books is in a perfect position to take on some salary of an elite player and only have to trade minimal assets. I think the Yanks are going to very busy this winter if Hal is serious about winning next yr. Cashman also has to be more aggressive than usual to take advantage of this huge buyer market IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    The yanks payroll is current at about 250 mill , bringing the payroll to less than 210 like hal wants would require losing some talent . And most of the talent coming off the books is pitching . So you can forget about Paxton , happ and even Tanaka coming back or atleast two of those three not coming back . If the Yankees couldnít make it out of the alds at 250 mill could they even make it there with less talent than they have now ? Do you really think they could definitely make the playoffs with a rotation of cole , German , Garcia , Schmidt and Monty ? Donít forget the playoffs will probably not consist of as many teams as there were this year nor will it be in the same seeding format .
    Again you miss or choose to avoid the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Again you miss or choose to avoid the point.
    You are the one missing the point . I said I donít think the Yankees make the playoffs next season if they cut their payroll by around 50 mill . What talent replaces the talent that is lost due to such payroll cuts ? Minor leaguers ? Cheap players from other teams that require the Yankees trading even more of their talent ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    1) fire Boone!!! he has no feel for this team, especially in the playoffs. He constantly makes awful pitching decision. I really don't recall anytime, except after the savages in the box rant, has this team looked motivated or psyched up to play for him. Leave him for the sharks in Cali, the Yanks will be much better off.

    2) Cashman failed again to get us the pitching at the deadline to really give us a legit chance to win the WS. A combo of a HEALTHY Sevy, German, Paxton and especially Kahnle would have made a massive difference in the regular season and the playoffs. To think healthy versions of them wouldn't have made a massive difference is absolutely ludicrous.

    Unfortunately because of the injuries, weird season and his especially close relationship with Hal after Hanks death, Hal will give him a pass for this yr. That said, i wouldn't be surprised if Hal told Cash this coming season is his make or break yr.

    3) resign DJ. This actually should be number 1. U pay whatever it takes to resign the guy, he's clearly our best player and the heart and soul of this team. The rumors are he's looking for something in the a 4yr 88-100m, he's absolutely proved to be worth it, we can't let another team steal him from us.

    I would like to see him move back to 1st, so we could move Torres back to 2nd where he looked much better offensively and defensively

    4) make a legit run for Lindor. He's one of the better defensive SS in baseball which helps our defense immensely. It would add another SH, high avg, high contact, high energy bat with great speed to our lineup. We could really use more guys that can take that can make contact and take an extra base when we need it, go from 1st to home

    5) I"M NOT SAYING TRADE all these guys but i definitely think its time to find out what guys like Judge, Voit, Sanchez, Miggy and Frazier are worth, i'd put Stanton in there also but the NTC would make it tough to move him. If we could get the right value for 1 or more of them i'd make the move. It never hurts to find out your players value and listen to offers. We might get a crazy offer we couldnt refuse

    6) while i agree Sanchez no longer should be the starter, with as much as the organization likes him though I doubt they move him when he is at his absolutely lowest value. I think the far more likely scenario with him is they will go into spring with Higgy, or another C they acquire, will begin the yr as the starter. I could see them starting Gary in AAA to try to get him to remember how to hit. If he remembers how to hit, give him a chance to earn back playing time to get some of his value back. I have zero issue with trading Sanchez but it makes more sense to me to try and rebuild some value rather than give him away for practically nothing

    Judge is the public face of the team and unless they got an incredible offer i'm not sure Hal would sign off on trading him. Again IMO if u get a big enough offer, it would have to be massive to actually move him, u have to strongly consider it

    Voit has proven to be a solid, legi,t middle of the order bat, top 3 this yr in HR's and RBIs. He's got 4yrs of control left and is making less than 1m, He would be incredibly valuable to alot of teams. He would make 1 hell of a 1st piece in a trade for a TORP

    7) sign Brantly. He's basically the LHed version of DJ as far as being a professional hitter. With the extremely depressed financial market i don't think there is going to be a massive market for a 34yr old LFer. Let him platoon with Frazier and having him around would be like having another hitting coach around.

    8) After resigning DJ, rebuilding the whole staff has to be the top priority. Cole is everything we could have asked for. We absolutely have to get a legit #2 behind Cole. Bauer is the easiest fix but i'm not sure the Yanks will be willing to give hi the 1yr30m deal he's looking for and give up a 1st round pick. The massive conflict with him and Cole is also a concern

    I would like to see them get a #3 thats better than Tanaka, in reality because of the excellent long term relationship we have with him, i fully expect them to resign him for something like 3yr36m

    I would feel more than comfortable filling out the rest of the rotation with a combo of German, Monty, Devi, Schmidt and Sevy when he eventually comes back. I do think, if they don't sign Bauer, one of our top pitching specs will be traded in a package for a TORP . Good news is Sevy is supposed to be ahead of schedule and they are hopeful he can return to April

    We also have a ton of elite, young arms coming so it wouldn't be a shock if one or more contributed in a big way at some point next yr.

    9) we also have a loaded farm system that should allow us to trade for most anything we want if Cash is willing to part with his precious specs

    10) Speaking of young pitchers, I would sign Eric Kratz as a pitching/ catching coach. His passion is working with young pitchers, especially the Latina ones. Look at how successful he was working with Devi. Former catchers make the best coaches and if a catcher can keep an MLB job till he's 40, he must have a ton of knowledge he could pass on

    11) Gotta add a couple of elite arms to the pen, we need a Miller and a Kahnle type. Hader is going to cost as much as an ace so IMO there are better uses of our trade assets. The reliever market isn't bad this winter and with the market being depressed financially there will be options to upgrade the pen without having to give up the farm, IMO. Liam Hendricks is a FA again and we pursued him last yr

    12) The Yanks have close to 100M coming off the books this winter but they will not exceed the 3rd luxury tax threshold because those penalties are extremely harsh. The biggest reason they won't exceed that threshold is that they already have an IFA deal worked out with Roddrick Arias, the #1 spec next yr and most evaluator consider him a generational talent on par with Dominguez. They will not loose the money to sign him by over spending in FA 0 chance

    13) 1 other thing that i think alot of people are forgetting is that lower payroll teams are going to be looking to dump some of their bigger salaries because of how much money was lost this yr. Quite a few teams are crying poor already. A wealthy team like us that also has a ton of money coming off the books is in a perfect position to take on some salary of an elite player and only have to trade minimal assets. I think the Yanks are going to very busy this winter if Hal is serious about winning next yr. Cashman also has to be more aggressive than usual to take advantage of this huge buyer market IMO
    if that is dj asking price that is absurd for a guy who will be corner infielder in 2 years ..and dj vanished last few games vs tampa nowhere to be found..

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    dj is nowhere close comparable to jeter.. and jeter never made 25 million a year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    1) fire Boone!!! he has no feel for this team, especially in the playoffs. He constantly makes awful pitching decision. I really don't recall anytime, except after the savages in the box rant, has this team looked motivated or psyched up to play for him. Leave him for the sharks in Cali, the Yanks will be much better off.

    2) Cashman failed again to get us the pitching at the deadline to really give us a legit chance to win the WS. A combo of a HEALTHY Sevy, German, Paxton and especially Kahnle would have made a massive difference in the regular season and the playoffs. To think healthy versions of them wouldn't have made a massive difference is absolutely ludicrous.

    Unfortunately because of the injuries, weird season and his especially close relationship with Hal after Hanks death, Hal will give him a pass for this yr. That said, i wouldn't be surprised if Hal told Cash this coming season is his make or break yr.

    3) resign DJ. This actually should be number 1. U pay whatever it takes to resign the guy, he's clearly our best player and the heart and soul of this team. The rumors are he's looking for something in the a 4yr 88-100m, he's absolutely proved to be worth it, we can't let another team steal him from us.

    I would like to see him move back to 1st, so we could move Torres back to 2nd where he looked much better offensively and defensively

    4) make a legit run for Lindor. He's one of the better defensive SS in baseball which helps our defense immensely. It would add another SH, high avg, high contact, high energy bat with great speed to our lineup. We could really use more guys that can take that can make contact and take an extra base when we need it, go from 1st to home

    5) I"M NOT SAYING TRADE all these guys but i definitely think its time to find out what guys like Judge, Voit, Sanchez, Miggy and Frazier are worth, i'd put Stanton in there also but the NTC would make it tough to move him. If we could get the right value for 1 or more of them i'd make the move. It never hurts to find out your players value and listen to offers. We might get a crazy offer we couldnt refuse

    6) while i agree Sanchez no longer should be the starter, with as much as the organization likes him though I doubt they move him when he is at his absolutely lowest value. I think the far more likely scenario with him is they will go into spring with Higgy, or another C they acquire, will begin the yr as the starter. I could see them starting Gary in AAA to try to get him to remember how to hit. If he remembers how to hit, give him a chance to earn back playing time to get some of his value back. I have zero issue with trading Sanchez but it makes more sense to me to try and rebuild some value rather than give him away for practically nothing

    Judge is the public face of the team and unless they got an incredible offer i'm not sure Hal would sign off on trading him. Again IMO if u get a big enough offer, it would have to be massive to actually move him, u have to strongly consider it

    Voit has proven to be a solid, legi,t middle of the order bat, top 3 this yr in HR's and RBIs. He's got 4yrs of control left and is making less than 1m, He would be incredibly valuable to alot of teams. He would make 1 hell of a 1st piece in a trade for a TORP

    7) sign Brantly. He's basically the LHed version of DJ as far as being a professional hitter. With the extremely depressed financial market i don't think there is going to be a massive market for a 34yr old LFer. Let him platoon with Frazier and having him around would be like having another hitting coach around.

    8) After resigning DJ, rebuilding the whole staff has to be the top priority. Cole is everything we could have asked for. We absolutely have to get a legit #2 behind Cole. Bauer is the easiest fix but i'm not sure the Yanks will be willing to give hi the 1yr30m deal he's looking for and give up a 1st round pick. The massive conflict with him and Cole is also a concern

    I would like to see them get a #3 thats better than Tanaka, in reality because of the excellent long term relationship we have with him, i fully expect them to resign him for something like 3yr36m

    I would feel more than comfortable filling out the rest of the rotation with a combo of German, Monty, Devi, Schmidt and Sevy when he eventually comes back. I do think, if they don't sign Bauer, one of our top pitching specs will be traded in a package for a TORP . Good news is Sevy is supposed to be ahead of schedule and they are hopeful he can return to April

    We also have a ton of elite, young arms coming so it wouldn't be a shock if one or more contributed in a big way at some point next yr.

    9) we also have a loaded farm system that should allow us to trade for most anything we want if Cash is willing to part with his precious specs

    10) Speaking of young pitchers, I would sign Eric Kratz as a pitching/ catching coach. His passion is working with young pitchers, especially the Latina ones. Look at how successful he was working with Devi. Former catchers make the best coaches and if a catcher can keep an MLB job till he's 40, he must have a ton of knowledge he could pass on

    11) Gotta add a couple of elite arms to the pen, we need a Miller and a Kahnle type. Hader is going to cost as much as an ace so IMO there are better uses of our trade assets. The reliever market isn't bad this winter and with the market being depressed financially there will be options to upgrade the pen without having to give up the farm, IMO. Liam Hendricks is a FA again and we pursued him last yr

    12) The Yanks have close to 100M coming off the books this winter but they will not exceed the 3rd luxury tax threshold because those penalties are extremely harsh. The biggest reason they won't exceed that threshold is that they already have an IFA deal worked out with Roddrick Arias, the #1 spec next yr and most evaluator consider him a generational talent on par with Dominguez. They will not loose the money to sign him by over spending in FA 0 chance

    13) 1 other thing that i think alot of people are forgetting is that lower payroll teams are going to be looking to dump some of their bigger salaries because of how much money was lost this yr. Quite a few teams are crying poor already. A wealthy team like us that also has a ton of money coming off the books is in a perfect position to take on some salary of an elite player and only have to trade minimal assets. I think the Yanks are going to very busy this winter if Hal is serious about winning next yr. Cashman also has to be more aggressive than usual to take advantage of this huge buyer market IMO
    yanks heve to pay cole full salary next year instead of the pro rated cost and if they resign dj he will make a lot more than the 12 million he made this year .. and if no fans are allowed next year yanks will be losing a lot of money

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    They have close to 40m coming off the books between Jake and Happ. A full season from Garcia/Schmidt is an huge upgrade and would cost less than a M. Other than the very top of the market players, players salaries will be way down this winter.

    Our luxury tax number was about 265m this yr and they absolutely can't exceed 250m? for the 3rd luxury threshold. Even after paying the arbitration raises they should have a ton of money to upgrade if they want. Hell if Jakes salary wouldn't have counted we would have been below the 3rd tier anyways
    Last edited by dayners81; 10-10-2020 at 07:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Hal want the payroll slashed below $210 million, forget Lindor for 2021.
    Where did you hear that?

    Figure we are at about $160M without ARB increases. ARB increases takes us to about $190M. Gardy buyout means there is $17.5M to spend. Forget Lindor or Bauer. That probably means no extension for DJ. All we can afford will be a mid level starter (think Happ 2.0), which is an absolutely necessary with 3 starters coming off.

    That means no playoffs for a while. A team 4 years into its window needs to spend and sell the farm to keep the window open and keep up with the talented young teams.

    Under these parameters, I'd just do a complete rebuild and sell off everyone with the exception of Torres and Cole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones View Post
    Where did you hear that?

    Figure we are at about $160M without ARB increases. ARB increases takes us to about $190M. Gardy buyout means there is $17.5M to spend. Forget Lindor or Bauer. That probably means no extension for DJ. All we can afford will be a mid level starter (think Happ 2.0), which is an absolutely necessary with 3 starters coming off.

    That means no playoffs for a while. A team 4 years into its window needs to spend and sell the farm to keep the window open and keep up with the talented young teams.

    Under these parameters, I'd just do a complete rebuild and sell off everyone with the exception of Torres and Cole.
    Thatís exactly what I said earlier and yet someone told me I was wrong .

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    Iím just here to say ******************kc Chapman

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    You sound about right to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones View Post
    Where did you hear that?

    Figure we are at about $160M without ARB increases. ARB increases takes us to about $190M. Gardy buyout means there is $17.5M to spend. Forget Lindor or Bauer. That probably means no extension for DJ. All we can afford will be a mid level starter (think Happ 2.0), which is an absolutely necessary with 3 starters coming off.

    That means no playoffs for a while. A team 4 years into its window needs to spend and sell the farm to keep the window open and keep up with the talented young teams.

    Under these parameters, I'd just do a complete rebuild and sell off everyone with the exception of Torres and Cole.
    I believe he may have grabbed it from a NY Post article discussing the end of season issues.

    From Spotrac:

    2020 PAYROLL
    Competitive Balance Tax Threshold $208,000,000
    Total AAV/Payroll $240,894,560
    Total Payroll $248,923,602


    2021 close to 140M in total payroll.

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