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    I was just pointing out that Cole had a personal catcher in Houston and it wasn't the guy we signed. That's all.

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    He is talking about the one and only, pure trash: Ereck Flowers

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    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Actually run support is a factor in determining war for a pitcher . It is called RA9def or runs per nine innings of Support .
    https://www.cooperstowncred.com/stat...-for-pitchers/
    Really? Wrong again my friend. Read it again Jorge. "RA9def: runs per 9 innings of support (or lack thereof) from a player’s defense!!!

    Defense Jorge, or if you prefer De Fence.

    WAR = [[([(League “FIP” – “FIP”) / Pitcher Specific Runs Per Win] + Replacement Level) * (IP/9)] * Leverage Multiplier for Relievers] + League Correction

    Please find run support in teh above equation. Take your time.

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    Robinson Chirinos Yankees deal: $1M base, 500k incentives, multiple outs

    Per Heyman

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    He is talking about the one and only, pure trash: Ereck Flowers

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSoSlick View Post
    Robinson Chirinos Yankees deal: $1M base, 500k incentives, multiple outs

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    That sounds about right money wise actually. Would you rather him or Higgy as the backup ?

    anyone know for sure what Wilson contract is and for how much? I've heard MILB deal, 2yrs 4M plus incentives

    Its probably pretty safe to say after this move and Wilson that Gardy isn't coming back. Gardy has been great but i think his time has likely come to an end. Hopefully Florials pitch recognition got better last yr because IMO he could be just as valuable, especially defensively as Gardy would be this coming yr

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    Well with Bruce getting a minor league deal and Allen, plus tauchman I just don’t see how there is room for Gardner . As much as I like Gardner it was definitely time to move on from him .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    In other words the Yankees rotation is simply projected to have more run support than all other rotations in mlb and outside of cole that is not necessarily an indication of how good the Yankees rotation truly is .
    No, not at all. Keep whining about being a fan of the most successful franchise in MLB history though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    I don't believe run support is factored into a pitchers WAR! I could be wrong but I seriously doubt it.
    Of course it's not. Let's also not forget that Posada has no idea how WAR works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Really? The numbers would suggest otherwise:


    MLB Park Factors - 2019
    RKPARK NAMERUNS HR H 2B3BBB
    1Coors Field (Denver, Colorado)1.3941.2661.3001.3142.1481.093
    2Globe Life Park in Arlington 1.2451.0621.1421.0901.5451.092
    3Comerica Park (Detroit, Michigan)1.1071.0861.1110.9282.0110.973
    4Nationals Park (Washington, D.C.)1.1011.2671.0971.1690.9571.016
    5Oriole Park at Camden Yards 1.0881.2621.0631.1570.9310.930
    6Marlins Park (Miami, Florida) 1.0870.8281.0181.0222.0001.057
    7Minute Maid Park (Houston, Texas)1.0831.1951.0240.8660.8150.969
    8Kauffman Stadium (Kansas City, Missouri)1.0740.7411.0861.2051.3450.937
    9Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts)1.0630.8781.0101.3801.1201.108
    10Citizens Bank Park (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)1.0471.1701.0280.8860.9601.026
    11Great American Ball Park (Cincinnati, Ohio)1.0381.1301.0271.0290.4371.052
    12Rogers Centre (Toronto, Ontario) 1.0311.3170.9930.9180.9130.988
    13Angel Stadium (Anaheim, California) 1.0181.0811.0091.0220.8151.028
    14PNC Park (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) 1.0040.9060.9971.2811.0001.161
    15Truist Park (Cumberland, GA)1.0031.0180.9981.1370.9260.995
    16Chase Field (Phoenix, Arizona)0.9770.8880.9981.0031.6540.959
    17Miller Park (Milwaukee, Wisconsin) 0.9761.0300.9130.8990.8280.992
    18Target Field (Minneapolis, Minnesota) 0.9750.8701.0071.1511.0911.092
    19Progressive Field (Cleveland, Ohio) 0.9721.0480.9521.0370.5830.979
    20Guaranteed Rate Field (Chicago, Illinois)0.9661.2380.9260.8090.3491.078
    21T-Mobile Park (Seattle, Washington) 0.9520.9340.9460.8270.4861.006
    22Wrigley Field (Chicago, Illinois)0.9310.8710.9690.9381.4290.988
    23Busch Stadium (St. Louis, Missouri) 0.9170.8310.9430.8710.9550.934
    24Dodger Stadium (Los Angeles, California)0.9051.1280.9870.8980.3330.833
    25Tropicana Field (St. Petersburg, Florida)0.8950.9040.9350.9751.2000.955
    26Citi Field (New York, New York) 0.8911.0000.8890.8410.5000.950
    27Petco Park (San Diego, California) 0.8600.8710.9080.8850.7041.049
    28Yankee Stadium (New York, New York)0.8160.8650.8800.7290.5910.901
    29Oracle Park (San Francisco, California)0.7980.6910.9410.8261.4230.886
    Quite convenient that you only shared the data from the one season in the last five seasons that clashes with what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Actually run support is a factor in determining war for a pitcher . It is called RA9def or runs per nine innings of Support .
    https://www.cooperstowncred.com/stat...-for-pitchers/
    Wrong again. Please learn to read or at least make an attempt to honestly represent what you have read.
    Last edited by spliff(TONE); 02-16-2021 at 07:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    RA9def: runs per 9 innings of support (or lack thereof) from a player’s defense. This puts a pitcher’s performance in the context of the overall defensive numbers of his team. When you find a pitcher with a surprisingly high or low WAR, this is the first place to look to see why.

    The way i read that is it has way more to do with how a team plays behind a pitcher defensively not so much what his Offense does when he is on the mound
    Notice how Posada entirely left out the word "defense" in the post where he made this claim? It's either because he has very poor reading comprehension or he was so eager to be right for once that he misrepresented what the article said, hoping that he could pull a fast one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    You are right . But I still think the runs their offense scores for a pitcher effects his war unless wins or innings pitched don’t factor into war . And I think the more runs a team scores for a pitcher the more wins a pitcher is likely to get and the more innings he is likely to pitch since starters with leads tend to stay in games longer than pitchers constantly pitching from behind .
    Wrong again. Maybe if you weren't so against WAR and actually took the time to understand how it is calculated, you wouldn't so regularly make a fool of yourself in conversations like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Quite convenient that you only shared the data from the one season in the last five seasons that clashes with what I said.
    Actually it was a matter of convenience, it was the first data set that pooped up in the search. I always try to find the most current data. Upon further review I stand corrected, the "new" Yankee Stadium is near the middle/upper half in terms of hitter friendliness.

    The Stadium is generous for power all-around and it's positively awful for extra-base hits (0.869 factor). Maybe a reason they tend to encourage/ emphasize power, particularly from the left side.
    Last edited by drt1010; 02-16-2021 at 07:31 PM.

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    What I am not wrong about is that outside of cole and kluber , those projections for the Yankees starting rotation are not very good at all . I mean None of those other starting pitchers are projected to have a war higher than 2.2 . A 2.2 war is not very good either .
    Last edited by Posada20; 02-16-2021 at 08:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Actually it was a matter of convenience, it was the first data set that pooped up in the search. I always try to find the most current data. Upon further review I stand corrected, the "new" Yankee Stadium is near the middle/upper half in terms of hitter friendliness.

    The Stadium is generous for power all-around and it's positively awful for extra-base hits (0.869 factor). Maybe a reason they tend to encourage/ emphasize power, particularly from the left side.
    I thought (and hoped) that may have been the case but wanted to make sure. Yankee Stadium has indeed been more kind to offenses than any of the other parks in question each of the last five seasons outside of 2019.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    What I am not wrong about is that outside of cole and kluber , those projections for the Yankees starting rotation are not very good at all . I mean None of those other startering pitchers are projected to have a war higher than 2.2 . A 2.2 war is not very good either .
    Apparently this transparent shifting of the goalposts is the closest you'll ever get to admitting you were dead wrong. Maybe try avoiding chiming in so confidently on topics you are so unfamiliar with.

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