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  1. #2236
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Well with Gio recovering from his surgery, Andujar may see some time at 3B.
    Especially if he is hitting the way he is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Especially if he is hitting the way he is.
    Yep. That was never the issue as you know. He could always mash, now he has to prove (post injury) that he is still capable. He is extremely cheap, cost Yanks minimum to keep him on the roster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJO34 View Post
    So now people are hoping for a "reboot" of the team? Why? As things stand now, I would think we are the favorites in the American league. Sure, Toronto has gotten better, but they haven't added to their team yet this off season. Cleveland is going to trade Lindor, Houston is probably losing Springer and Brantely and they won't have Verlander for 2021, and the Rays are looking to trade Snell, and probably won't add this off season. We have always owned the Twins to the point that they should let us use the Home locker room when we play there. The White Sox are getting better and adding, but I don't think they will be good enough to beat us.

    The question is what we are doing. If we don't sign DJ or trade for Lindor, that would make us weaker, but even then if we sign Didi, sign Tanaka, move Torres back to second, and grab at least one quality bull pen arm, we should be fine esp. if we get anything from Sevy and German and the kids take the next step.

    Even at 210M, I think we are the team to beat. If we re-sign DJ, or trade for Lindor, or if Hal goes nuts and signs Bauer, then only disastrous injuries (God forbid) could stop us from getting to the WS.

    I think we have an incredibly good team and even better, we have --esp. with the kids coming up -- an incredibly exciting team to root for. Sure, we have injury problems, and players like Judge, Stanton, Voit, and Sanchez strike out too much, but they also hit baseballs farther than just about anyone else in the league. Personally, I think home runs over 400ft should be worth two runs (like the basketball 3 pointer), but no one asked me.

    We have gotten close and have been eliminated by the ultimate AL rep to the WS the last four years. In almost all of those years, a break here or a break there could have had us in the WS instead of the team that ousted us.

    I just wished the MLB Network would show winter ball. It is fun to see how our guys are doing (good or bad), but it would be far more enjoyable to actually watch the games.
    You are really overestimating this team if you think they are still the team to beat at 210 mill . This is the same team that finished just 1 game better than the blue jays , and that was with a 240 million payroll .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones View Post
    Also, by compete, I meant be competitive and watchable. 82-85 wins for the next 2 years.
    82-85 wins this will likely not be enough to even win the division . Win a wild card spot probably but not the division .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    You are really overestimating this team if you think they are still the team to beat at 210 mill . This is the same team that finished just 1 game better than the blue jays , and that was with a 240 million payroll .
    Why is that Jorge?

    You praise the Rays who got to the WS on a $28M payroll, but chastise and deride the Yankees at $210M ? It's not always about the money.
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,” JFK 1963.
    "Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you." - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Why is that Jorge?

    You praise the Rays who got to the WS on a $28M payroll, but chastise and deride the Yankees at $210M ? It's not always about the money.
    Exactly at 240 mill they couldn’t beat the rays either , what makes you think they can beat the rays at 210 mill? The rays likely still have better pitching than the Yankees . The Yankees will be losing some pitching at 210 mill and some offense . They won’t be getting any better at 210 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Exactly at 240 mill they couldn’t beat the rays either , what makes you think they can beat the rays at 210 mill? The rays likely still have better pitching than the Yankees . The Yankees will be losing some pitching at 210 mill and some offense . They won’t be getting any better at 210 million
    So why is it the Yankees must spend more than $210M? Why is ok for Rays to win on a shoe string but the Yankees must exceed $240M in your opinion? Why is not acceptable for Hal to adopt the Rays philosophy? Billy Beane changed how players were evaluated and valued, maybe Hal has finally realized he needs a new and different approach?
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,” JFK 1963.
    "Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you." - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
    "Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts."--- Einstein
    “Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.”---- James Baldwin




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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    So why is it the Yankees must spend more than $210M? Why is ok for Rays to win on a shoe string but the Yankees must exceed $240M in your opinion? Why is not acceptable for Hal to adopt the Rays philosophy? Billy Beane changed how players were evaluated and valued, maybe Hal has finally realized he needs a new and different approach?
    The rays were bad for years and didn’t spend for years and were never building to win . For the Yankees to do what the rays are doing they need to be bad for years like they were in the early 90s . If you really want the yanks to adopt the rays philosophy then they should trade Sanchez, hicks , judge , Chapman and Britton , and let dj go and bring back no one . The rays had high draft picks for several years and traded their stars rather than pay them . Something the yanks don’t do .I want hal to do exactly what the rays did , and that is trade their big stars for really good prospects and be bad for a few years so that they can draft more really good prospects . The Yankees as they currently are , can’t be both competing for a ws and be built like the rays or other low payroll teams . Like it or not if they want to compete for a ws their payroll has to be more than 210 mill
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    before 2018 the rays had 4 losing seasons in a row is that acceptable to yankee fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    before 2018 the rays had 4 losing seasons in a row is that acceptable to yankee fans?
    Yanks should never have to go through a rebuild like that due to the massive payrolls they are capable of sustaining. Doesn't mean they couldn't learn a thing or two from teams like the Rays though. Also doesn't mean high payroll teams can't have off years either. There's no one right way to field a championship team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    before 2018 the rays had 4 losing seasons in a row is that acceptable to yankee fans?
    If it meant they got really good prospects during those 4 years and traded their stars for more really good prospects I would. I mean the results are more or less the same anyway . No WS appearances . The one big problem I have seeing them go that route is that I don’t have the faith in the front office to draft the right players , especially pitchers .

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Yanks should never have to go through a rebuild like that due to the massive payrolls they are capable of sustaining. Doesn't mean they couldn't learn a thing or two from teams like the Rays though. Also doesn't mean high payroll teams can't have off years either. There's no one right way to field a championship team.
    If they can sustain massive payrolls then they should atleast invest their money in the right pieces , they keep investing in offense first . Look at their core , other than judge . Nearly every prospect they have brought up over the last 5 seasons has been more bat than glove .

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    before 2018 the rays had 4 losing seasons in a row is that acceptable to yankee fans?
    Losing is never acceptable to Yankee fans, nor is it an option. I was playing devil's advocate with Jorge in an attempt to flesh out the inherent contradiction and what I perceive as hypocrisy in the opinion. There is a singular truth, Yankee fans demand a winner each and every season. As unrealistic as it may be, Yankee fans believe The Bronx Bombers should win the WS every season. It's a birth rite.
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,” JFK 1963.
    "Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you." - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
    "Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts."--- Einstein
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    before 2018 the rays had 4 losing seasons in a row is that acceptable to yankee fans?
    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Losing is never acceptable to Yankee fans, nor is it an option. I was playing devil's advocate with Jorge in an attempt to flesh out the inherent contradiction and what I perceive as hypocrisy in the opinion. There is a singular truth, Yankee fans demand a winner each and every season. As unrealistic as it may be, Yankee fans believe The Bronx Bombers should win the WS every season. It's a birth rite.

    No what you are trying to do is start a fight where there isn’t one . Always trying to get me with a “ gotcha” moment .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    No what you are trying to do is start a fight where there isn’t one . Always trying to get me with a “ gotcha” moment .
    Don't flatter yourself Jorge.
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,” JFK 1963.
    "Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you." - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
    "Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts."--- Einstein
    “Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.”---- James Baldwin




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