Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

[YANKSGUY]

Do I sense a wager? A challenge? What say you Jorge?

I was just going to suggest the very same thing. I'll wager he won't wager because he knows he's out in left field.

[YANKSGUY]

I already proved dayners wrong why would I need to agree to his challenge ? I have no desire to accept his challenge now please move on from it .

You have to stop with the thought that because you say something you've proven something. You haven't proved anything. You're all blabber.

[Stevemil505]

Assuming the Astros make it. You and Posada make a great team. Two losers in a pod.

Agree 100%!

[Posada20]

I believe we all agree Kershew is an ace yet he was not great in the playoffs until he was. With some pitchers, it takes time. I could be wrong. Perhaps Sevy is a #5 or perhaps he gets moved to the bullpen. Who knows. I think of him as an ace, and I hope I am right.

I am willing to bet that until 2 months ago dodgers fans didn’t think of kershaw as an ace...

[Posada20]

Let's explore / examine the logic employed here. The inherent assumption: If you are glad he is not the GM can we assume there is no love lost? Kinda like Sauron's love for Cashman. If we can assume you prefer he not be in the position, we can infer further there are specific reasons as to why you hold the preference. Can we also assume if you did not hold these specific preferences there would be no reason to believe he would NOT be a good GM.

It is not stated but inferred. Your preference he not be the GM is proof enough.

I seem to recall an entire conversation in another thread here complaining about reaching the wrong conclusions when reading a post . You know when I made the “assumption” that German would be the yanks number 2 starter when dayners said German would be an upgrade over what they have in the rotation behind cole . Now look who is “misunderstanding” a post....

[Posada20]

You have to stop with the thought that because you say something you've proven something. You haven't proved anything. You're all blabber.

Ok to be more exact it was Brian cashman that proved my point about German and thus proving Dayners wrong . Remember cashman said German would only be used for half a season with limitations .and last I checked a part time starter with limitations is hardly an upgrade over 3 or 4 younger kids who are currently slated to be FULL TIME starters next season....

[Kinkotheclown]

You have to stop with the thought that because you say something you've proven something. You haven't proved anything. You're all blabber.

More like bladder. An infected, flaccid , prolapsed bladder that dribbles piss constantly.
You have to understand, that bladder has lived in fear and panic its whole life. No wonder it's so dysfunctional
I feel worse for his legs and feet, they must take a beating from the incessant flow.

[dayners81]

I think the numbers prove you wrong.

In 2017, he was 14-6 with a 2.98 era. 230 strike outs
In 2018, he was 19-8 with a 3.39 era. 220 strike outs

That isn't an ace? I think that is an ace. Definitely less than Cole, but he is a few years younger and has upside. In any event, if he can get back to what he was, he is -- in my opinion -- definitely a strong #1b.

IMO, there is a big difference between a #1 starter and an ace. I would only say there are less than 10 aces in all of baseball, guys like Cole, Degrom, Scherzer. Guys that have shown excellence for multiple yrs and have performed well in the playoffs. To me Sevy was absolutely a #1 starter on his way to being an ace. I absolutely think that Sevy has the ability to bounce back and reach that level again but after 2 1/2 yrs of really not pitching at all i would like to see him preform at that level again before i would putter a label on what kind of starters he's going to be when he comes back

I believe we all agree Kershew is an ace yet he was not great in the playoffs until he was. With some pitchers, it takes time. I could be wrong. Perhaps Sevy is a #5 or perhaps he gets moved to the bullpen. Who knows. I think of him as an ace, and I hope I am right.

i absolutely agree and i hope your right about both Sevy and German.

1 thing people seem to over look about Sevy's performance in the playoffs was his age. He was only 22-23 in the 17-18. Thats incredibly young to have the pressure of being your teams #1 starter and stopper in the playoffs. We all talk about how young Devi is but Sevy was only a yr or 2 older when he was one of the most dominate pitchers in baseball in 17-18.

Most aces, even someone as good as Cole, take until they are 26-27 to really breakout and establish their dominance. I think that not having to be our ace anymore and having a pitcher very similar pitcher stuff wise like Cole to lean on and learn from will benefit him tremendously, much like Verlander did for Cole. The kid is only 26, an age alot of starters are just breaking into to the MLB and some people seem to think his career is over or set in stone as a playoff failure. If he can get his stuff back and stay healthy i'm confident we'll be talking about him being in that ace conversation by the end of the 22 season

Assuming the Astros make it. You and Posada make a great team. Two losers in a pod.

they would make a great team, i was going to suggest he make Johnny is co GM

[Posada20]

IMO, there is a big difference between a #1 starter and an ace. I would only say there are less than 10 aces in all of baseball, guys like Cole, Degrom, Scherzer. Guys that have shown excellence for multiple yrs and have performed well in the playoffs. To me Sevy was absolutely a #1 starter on his way to being an ace. I absolutely think that Sevy has the ability to bounce back and reach that level again but after 2 1/2 yrs of really not pitching at all i would like to see him preform at that level again before i would putter a label on what kind of starters he's going to be when he comes back

i absolutely agree and i hope your right about both Sevy and German.

1 thing people seem to over look about Sevy's performance in the playoffs was his age. He was only 22-23 in the 17-18. Thats incredibly young to have the pressure of being your teams #1 starter and stopper in the playoffs. We all talk about how young Devi is but Sevy was only a yr or 2 older when he was one of the most dominate pitchers in baseball in 17-18.

Most aces, even someone as good as Cole, take until they are 26-27 to really breakout and establish their dominance. I think that not having to be our ace anymore and having a pitcher very similar pitcher stuff wise like Cole to lean on and learn from will benefit him tremendously, much like Verlander did for Cole. The kid is only 26, an age alot of starters are just breaking into to the MLB and some people seem to think his career is over or set in stone as a playoff failure. If he can get his stuff back and stay healthy i'm confident we'll be talking about him being in that ace conversation by the end of the 22 season

they would make a great team, i was going to suggest he make Johnny is co GM

Andy pettitte was 23 when he made his playoff debut on 1995 . And he went on to pitch a 1-0 master piece in game 5 of the 96 World Series at the age of 24 . So the age excuse doesn’t really fly to be honest . No one is doubting that sevy is a very good pitcher with great stuff at times . He just hasn’t been able to put it all together yet to be considered an ace . And he will be 27 in about 2 months and will be 28 by the time he is a full time starter again with no limitations . And nowhere did I say his career is over or set in stone . I have only been saying is that he is not a proven ace.

[PJO34]

I am willing to bet that until 2 months ago dodgers fans didn’t think of kershaw as an ace...

I can't claim to know what Dodger fans think, but my gut tells me you are wrong.

[Jones]

Sevy definitely was an Ace (or at least on track to be an ace when he matured) in 2017 and 2018 through the all star break. IMO, the guy hid the elbow issue which occurred around the all star break in 2018.

He was so young in the 2017 playoffs and it was his first time there so I give him a pass.

He would be the perfect #2 behind Cole.

With that being said, his future is unknown. 2+ years of injuries. 2 years left on his contract. He really can’t be counted on as a rotation savior.

[PJO34]

1 thing people seem to over look about Sevy's performance in the playoffs was his age. He was only 22-23 in the 17-18. Thats incredibly young to have the pressure of being your teams #1 starter and stopper in the playoffs. We all talk about how young Devi is but Sevy was only a yr or 2 older when he was one of the most dominate pitchers in baseball in 17-18.

Most aces, even someone as good as Cole, take until they are 26-27 to really breakout and establish their dominance. I think that not having to be our ace anymore and having a pitcher very similar pitcher stuff wise like Cole to lean on and learn from will benefit him tremendously, much like Verlander did for Cole. The kid is only 26, an age alot of starters are just breaking into to the MLB and some people seem to think his career is over or set in stone as a playoff failure. If he can get his stuff back and stay healthy i'm confident we'll be talking about him being in that ace conversation by the end of the 22 season

You captured my thought 100%, and explained it much better.

[Posada20]

Sevy definitely was an Ace (or at least on track to be an ace when he matured) in 2017 and 2018 through the all star break. IMO, the guy hid the elbow issue which occurred around the all star break in 2018.

He was so young in the 2017 playoffs and it was his first time there so I give him a pass.

He would be the perfect #2 behind Cole.

With that being said, his future is unknown. 2+ years of injuries. 2 years left on his contract. He really can’t be counted on as a rotation savior.

His durability issues alone are why it’s not known what they will get from him .will he be worth signing long term in 2 years ?

[dayners81]

Andy pettitte was 23 when he made his playoff debut on 1995 . And he went on to pitch a 1-0 master piece in game 5 of the 96 World Series at the age of 24 . So the age excuse doesn’t really fly to be honest . No one is doubting that sevy is a very good pitcher with great stuff at times . He just hasn’t been able to put it all together yet to be considered an ace . And he will be 27 in about 2 months and will be 28 by the time he is a full time starter again with no limitations . And nowhere did I say his career is over or set in stone . I have only been saying is that he is not a proven ace.

Exactly my point about Pettitte and the playoffs. We've had 1 pitcher of that age range to perform well in the playoffs in the last 20 plus season. Most pitchers don't even enter the league at that age much less have to 2 absolutely dominate yrs. Across the league how many pitchers in recent memory other than Madbum have excelled immediately in the playoffs? Bieber is 25, coming off a CY young yr and got shelled in the playoffs, it happens to young pitchers, even the ones that end up being Aces

[Posada20]

Exactly my point about Pettitte and the playoffs. We've had 1 pitcher of that age range to perform well in the playoffs in the last 20 plus season. Most pitchers don't even enter the league at that age much less have to 2 absolutely dominate yrs. Across the league how many pitchers in recent memory other than Madbum have excelled immediately in the playoffs? Bieber is 25, coming off a CY young yr and got shelled in the playoffs, it happens to young pitchers, even the ones that end up being Aces

Well the fact that the Yankees have only had two starting pitchers from the farm that pitched that well speaks volumes of their developmental system in regards to pitching . Especially the last 10 years